Why do lots of members from the boxing community believe Wilder can KO any HW with 1 punch?

"If Johann Duhaupas hits harder why doesn't he have a better ko record? "

Because he isn't as athletically gifted as Deontay Wilder and David Haye, or as technically skilled offensively as Alexander Povetkin and Anthony Joshua at being able to land his punches as frequently as they do and with the same accuracy.

"And why didn't Wilder go down?"

I could ask the same question in return. Why didn't Duhaupas go down if Wilder was such a powerful hitter or a more powerful hitter than Duhaupas, considering he landed double the number of punches in total?

"Bruising is no evidence of power just damage"

Erm, damage inflicted is evidence of power. If two guys are punching a wall with gloves on and one guy causes more damage to that wall with the same number of punches landed or even with fewer landed punches, then logic would dictate he has greater power per punch.

Since Duhaupas or Wilder didn't drop each other or KO each other. We look at the other criteria. Which is who inflicted more damage. Duhaupas, despite landing half the number of punches Wilder landed, and despite not loading up anywhere near as much as Wilder was (perhaps because he was injured on his right arm), inflicted more damage on Wilder's face by giving him a black eye. Whilst Wilder with double the number of punches, only caused minor bleeding from Duhaupas's face. I know what's greater evidence of punching power.

"Knocking out an opponent is more impressive than giving them a bruised eye."

But Wilder couldn't knock out Duhaupas. Ergo, that point doesn't support or help your argument in any way.

"As for AJ don't be ridiculous his power is ridiculously overrated."

Sure it is! But Wilder's power isn't any less overrated.

"Many fighters hit harder."

Perhaps! Same applies to Deontay Wilder (many guys arguably hit harder than him too).


"He only beat one opponent more impressively than Wilder and that was Molina, who he knocked out after Wilder beat the living day lights out of him. So it can easily be argued he fought a damaged Molina."

You also forgot to mention Jason Gavern. Who Joshua knocked out in fewer rounds, with fewer punches and more cleanly.

And if you want to use that logic about Wilder damaging Molina first, then Ashanti Jordan and Chris Arreola deserve the most credit. Because they damaged him far earlier than Wilder did and knocked him out in far less time with far fewer punches. So if anything, that further exposes Wilder's overrated power. So you're not doing yourself any favors with arguments like these. Since they don't support the notion of Wilder being as powerful as you claim.


"95% of his opponents have been stopped on their feet and he couldn't knock out Takam properly and didn;t put a dent in Parker who Whyte managed to hurt and put down."

Anthony Joshua knocked Whyte out cleanly. And let's not act like Wilder also doesn't have many questionable standing stoppages like Joshua has as well. Duhaupas was just as hilarious, if not even worse of a stoppage than the Takam stoppage of Joshua. At least Joshua scored a knockdown against Takam. Wilder could barely even discourage Duhaupas over 11 rounds and was missing the final punches before the referee prematurely stopped the fight, just like how Joshua was missing his punches against Takam before the ref stopped the fight.

"Povetkin looks to hit very hard, but with the height and leverage it would stand to reason that Wilder hits harder, this is backed up by other fighters who have actually sparred with all the top HW's and reached the conclusion that Wilder is the hardest puncher."

Being taller doesn't equate to more power or better leverage for power. I could argue about Povetkin's far better punching technique and mechanics making him as power, if not more powerful of a hitter. Not claiming Povetkin necessarily hits harder, but that I see no reason to believe Wilder hits harder than Povetkin.

And sparring rumors, along with claims of sparring partners / ex opponents about who hits harder can be dismissed as they are unreliable. Simply because, those guys almost always have an agenda.

Larry Holmes said Earnie Shavers hit harder than Mike Tyson. Even though Mike Tyson acutally KO'ed Larry Holmes whilst Shavers couldn't. So do we believe what the boxer himself said, or what we actually saw as direct video evidence?

Video evidence > agenda based opinions of ANYBODY!

 

Yes, I understand this! But my point was not fully understandable in the title (due to the character limitation). So I was forced to make the title short.

If you read the entire OP, you'd know my main point was in regards to Deontay Wilder's ONE PUNCH KO POWER not being anything more special or unique than the ONE PUNCH KO POWER of other power punching heavyweights like the ones I've already mentioned.

This is a comparison thread. It compares Wilder's ONE PUNCH KO POWER to some of the other power punching heavyweights and exposes the fact that his ONE PUNCH KO POWER is no better than some of the other heavyweights I've already mentioned.

Sometimes, it is possible for a boxer of being incapable of knocking out another boxer with one punch. And I believe it's entirely possible for an extremely durable heavyweight to exist, that Wilder won't be able to KO with one punch or at all. Doesn't mean they'd be very common though!

Your examples of Marquez and Pacquiao are a bit flawed. The Marquez from the 4th fight looked like a totally different boxer altogether. He looked juiced up heavily on PED's. So one might argue the Marquez of the first 3 fights (Marquez not on such PED's) is incapable of knocking out Pacquiao but the juiced up Marquez from the 4th fight is capable.

And there is a difference between incapacitating your opponent (clean knockout) and having a referee stop a fight without the opponent being totally incapacitated. I never claimed an opponent has to literally be knocked out unconscious for 10 seconds for it to be a knockout. Rather, that they have to be incapacitated for 10 seconds or more. Which means, even if they are conscious but aren't able to get back up to their feet, it still counts.

Excuse me for differentiating the different types of stoppages. Since they absolutely aren't the same. A technical knockout has never been, and never will be the same as a clean KO. Same with corner stoppages or retirements. And yes, sometimes we do have to distinguish these different type of stoppages because certain stoppages may go down on a boxer's record and over inflate their KO percentage, but they may not actually deserve some of those stoppages if we actually watch their fights due to referees prematurely stopping those fights. This then allows us to objectively assess how much credit they deserve, compared to other heavyweights who haven't been gifted as many premature stoppages.

To be more specific. Boxer A might have a 100% KO record out of 20 fights. And boxer B may have a 90% KO record out of 20 fights. So on paper, boxer A is a harder hitter.

However, upon actually watching both their fights, we see boxer A being gifted 5 premature stoppages by the referee whilst all of boxer B's knockouts are legitimate. This then proves Boxer B is the harder hitter in reality.

This is why:

Watching fights > relying on reading boxing records from boxrec / other sources

 

Only professional boxers are relevant. How they react to getting hit is relevant. And that's all the evidence I need to decide who inflicts most damage on their opponents.

 

1) Sergio Martinez (a guy with 50% KO record = average power) one punch KO'ing Paul Williams concussively in just 2 rounds in their 2nd fight.

2) Amir Mansour's one punch concussive KO over Fred Kassi.

3) Vitali Klitschko one punch concussive KO over Levi Billups.


I could keep going on and on, but you get the drift. Wilder's one punch KO power is nothing that special or otherworldly to be in total awe of.

 

Martinez has a 50% KO record. That's not a sign of someone with above average punching power. And Amir Mansour's KO record is similar.

Not comparable in what way? Martinez literally knocked Williams out unconscious for multiple minutes. A concussive KO is a concussive KO! Not sure what your point is?

If anything, the Kelvin Price knockout is not comparable to Martinez's KO over Williams.

And if anything, it is YOU who is making a fool out of yourself by claiming Martinez is anything more than an average puncher when he is the EXACT definition of an AVERAGE puncher with an exact 50% KO record.

 

Thanks for clarifying exactly what you deem an 'average puncher'. This makes it easier to respond.

Here is the 'average puncher' that is Joseph Parker knocking out Tupou unconscious in the first round with a right hand.

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Are you going to finally accept it? Or I wonder what your next excuse is going to be?

 

By that logic, a vast majority of Wilder's knockouts can be considered dives as well. Including the Kelvin Price knockout.

Being carried out on a stretcher is totally irrelevant. It proves nothing! A concussive KO is a concussive KO! It makes no difference if that boxer in the end is carried out on a stretcher or is helped back to his feet whilst he's still in the ring.

Even Calvin Brock KO'ed an opponent unconscious where he needed a stretcher and oxygen masks to recover. His name was Zuri Lawrence if I recall correctly.

 

I did show you. However, you chose to ignore what I showed you and pretended as if I didn't.

And no, being carried out on a stretcher is totally irrelevant. We don't know if a boxer who was knocked out unconscious for a longer amount of time, but was not carried out on a stretcher is any less damaged than another boxer who was knocked out unconscious for a shorter amount of time but was carried out on a stretcher. It means ABSOLUTELY nothing!

If you get knocked out unconscious, you get knocked out unconscious. Whether someone is carried out on a stretcher or not makes no difference. And sometimes, a boxer who is less damaged maybe carried out on a stretcher whilst a boxer who is more damaged may not be carried out on a stretcher due to poor medical team.

I've already posted Calvin Brock's (someone who is an average puncher) knocking out Zuri Lawrence unconscious.

And your question itself is flawed at its core. The term 'average puncher' is a totally vague and a subjective term. It could mean ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING.

So for me, anybody who isn't known as a knockout artist is an 'average puncher'. Ergo, this video of Calvin Brock knocking Zuri Lawrence out unconscious counts:

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