What pre 1970s giants could have made it in this period

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Out of the numerous pre 70s fighters that were super heavyweight size by modern standards, which would have had the most chance at success from the 1990s until today?
     
  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    This is slightly different from the question you asked, but Ernie Terrell with modern weight training would be superheavyweight-sized today.

    And I think he'd make it.
     
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  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Earnie Terrell, Buddy Baer, arguably Carnera and Willard. Guys like Shkor and Simmons don't quite make the cut

    And if you wanna get technical on what a super heavyweight is, Ali, Nino Valdes, Max Baer, Harry Wills and Luis Firpo could also be included. (All 6'3" 215-220lbs)
     
  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Terrell would do OK .Slightly underrated guy ,he'd be a awkward fella to fight .
     
  5. cross_trainer

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    If Carnera got to 270 pounds with a 1920s weight lifting program (presumably discontinued when he started boxing), he'd probably be even larger today.

    Willard would also be bigger.

    Baer needs somebody like Steward, immediately.
     
  6. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My first thought was Buddy Baer and Ernie Terrell. Both would be contenders today.
     
  7. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I am happy to see Terrell get a little positive recognition. I always point to Ali's relatively easy victory over Terrell as support for the argument that the first version of Ali could handle the big guys of the present era. Terrell had a heckuva jab and he was a very smart fighter even if he made some fights boring with his holding.
     
  8. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Which Baer, Buddy or Max? Or could they both use Steward?
     
  9. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Definitely ,he didn't set the ring alight with his style ,but he could be effective.
     
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  10. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Probably Buddy, imo Max would beat today's heavyweight division but Buddy was a bit off in training and could use polishing to fight today
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    But Max technically wasn't a super heavyweight like his brother.
     
  12. janitor

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    A good manager would have significant options with:

    Big Bill Tate
    Fred Fulton
    Jess Willard
    Primo Carnera
    Buddy Baer
    Ernie Terrell
     
  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    My first thought was none of them.

    Upon further review I am sticking with my first thought.
     
  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It was probably harder to get established as a contender in their day to be honest.

    Today you have multiple titles, and you can get ranked without beating anybody close to world level.

    If you can't do something with these guys as a manager, then you should probably be in a different business!
     
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  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I think this is a very old fashioned view. I think you are clinging to old cliches about all giants being oafs.

    It’s time to take the blinkers off and realise size advantage is a bigger deal today than at any other point.

    If a big guy made the grade by reaching top ten level -back when more of the odds were stacked against him- then surely he is better equipped when less odds are stacked against him?

    If all they had was size, surely they can thrive where size is everything?