EE fighters are proving that turning pro after age 25 is ridiculous

Guys like GGG, Kovalev, Loma, Usyk, etc. All these guys turn pro late and they pay a price. It takes time to build up your name in the pro ranks. And it takes time to make fights. It doesn't happen overnight.

So if you turn pro at 25, 26, etc. then you're essentially turning pro in your prime or close to it. Especially physical prime.

When Kovalev and GGG burst onto the American scene they were destroyers. But that didn't last too long at all actually. Sergey started slipping already by the Chilemba fight and was shot after the Ward KO loss. And as for GGG, he was already slipping by the Lemiuex fight with his new found jab heavy style and reduced punch output. He's not shot yet, but he's well on his way at 36.

Turning pro late wouldn't be such a big deal if you could remain 30 or 31 forever, but the problem is you don't. There are only 365 days in the year and eventually that 31 turns into 34 and now then the body says nah, it's time to slow down. And before you know it all that work you put in to build yourself up and now you're getting old.

That's why I don't think Loma and Usyk doing all these amazing things with so little fights is that amazing. They have to FastTrack. It's not a choice, it's a necessity to achieve greatness for them. Because in a few years they're going to wake up and be 34 and then all of a sudden they are no longer the same fighter. Currently I have them #1 and #2 p4p. There is no tomorrow for these guys. The time is now and the window is short. And Loma especially did it to himself. He has no one to blame, but Loma. That 2nd Gold Medal was unnecessary. Cost him 4 years of building up his name in the pro ranks.

 

I’m sure you don’t think winning multiple Golds in the ams like Usyk or being considered the greatest amateur in history like Loma is “THAT amazing” either.

Either it’s “Amateurs don’t mean **** doe! It ain’t the pros!”

Or it’s

“But they had AMATEUR experience! They fast track in the pros ain’t dat special!”


Loma and Usyk are the #1 and #2 best pfp boxers in the world and what they have done so far is remarkable and shits on anything Mayweather, Crawford, Spence and Ward did in their first 15 fights. And that’s a FACT. Deal with it.

 

I think you completely missed the point.

 

Oh no I really didn’t. Lol

“That’s why I don’t think Usyk and Loma doing these amazing things with so little fights is THAT amazing.” ~ The TS

That’s your quote and what you said. It’s right there. Lol I won’t do a recap of how I countered to that. It’s right there. And my reply was also at the certain idiots that say the dumb lines that I quoted. And we are in agreement Loma and Usyk are #1 and #2 I know. But it takes special talent to being the champs they are in 14 fights. Not just turning pro after 25. Many others have turned pro after 25 and have not come close.

 

So when should they make their mark in pro boxing? At 34?

 

Lol! Yeah I think you missed the point I was making. Never said they shouldn’t get right to work within their first 10 fights or before 30 did I?? I was basically saying that their age doesn’t make their achievements any less remarkable.

Lol Ok No more recaps. Just try to go back and read.

 

Disagree completely.

 

So, as a fan, you'd rather watch pro fighters fighting bums for 20-30 fights?

 

If it leads to more big fights in the future before they get old and diminished? Then absolutely yes.

 

The difference is Ward, PBF, Crawford and Spence weren't 26 when they turned pro dumb ass troll. They were all in their teens. You can not act like what they are doing is the same thing as doing it when you turn pro in your teens not a fully grown man because it's not. What they have done is impressive and worthy of praise but let not get ahead of ourselves. We all know damn well Loma never would have fought Salido if he turned pro at 19 for his 2nd fight and if he did he would have been absolutely destroyed. Turning pro at 26 a prime grown man is not the same thing as turning pro at 18 or 19 stop acting like it is you agenda having casual.

 

Does anyone know why Loma turned pro so late? Was he just obsessed w/ Olympic gold?

 

Every fighter is different and has a different route. You have to remember a lot of the ex Soviet/Eastern European/Middle Asian countries either banned pro boxing or don't have a huge base for their top amateurs to turn over.

Recently the Americans have been snapping them up as they feel they are easier to build now but that wasn't always the case. Plus sometimes turning over early hinders your career unless you are guided well.

Let's take an example of Matvey Korobov. Turned over at 25, got a big push early from promoters, was put on the undercard of huge fights to build him - debuted on Doanire v Mthlane and then featured on Margo/Mosley, Pacquiao/Cotto, Cotto/Clottey, Pavlik/Martinez, Gamboa/Salido cards to showcase him.

Very good amateur and was meant to be one of the next big things and what happened. He never built a fanbase, never had star power, ended up inactives, was KOd by Andy Lee and now is a 35 year old whose best win is Uzcategui, who himself has surpassed him in all ways. After that it's a toss up between Brian Vera and Derek Edwards.

Remember Biggs, Bojado, Williams Jnr, Davis Jnr, Juarez etc It doesn't always work out so simply.

Lomachenko, Usyk, Golovkin, Beterbiev, Kovalev etc all turned over later yet have proven to be some of the best fighters in boxing for the last few years. Turning over is a risk at anytime and how you are handled makes the difference.

 

EE fighters have done extremely well so far but i still believe they could learn a few pro tricks to prevail in close bouts.

 

Ward was 20 and Spence 22, still young but also not teenagers, they were still fully grown men. The American team turning over is a little different to Eastern Europeans as well. Americans can walk straight into a big promotion, bill themselves as Olympians and get major pushes from the off with a host of huge promotional countries and gyms on their doorsteps.

How many big boxing promotions have you seen in Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Ukraine etc. Unless they can get signed in a good deal by a foreign promoter then they are far better off staying amateurs.

 

Loma is only 2 years older than Spence and has already achieved a lot more than Spence and made a much bigger mark on the sport as a pro.