No mas!-Explained!

Facts:

Fact:
Duran beat Leonard in Montreal

Fact:
Duran said, "F**k this" and ended the fight on his own terms in New Orleans.

Fact:
Leonard didn't even realize he "won" in New Orleans (watch the tape and look at Leonard's reaction after the Duran "F**k this" moment.)

Fact:
Leonard can never ever say he beat Duran in new Orleans. (I would love for someone here to explain to me exactly how he beat Duran. Been decades since that fight and I have never ever heard anyone explain how Leonard beat Duran. They can't. I can explain Duran beating Leonard in Montreal...no one can explain how Leonard beat Duran in New Orleans. Fact: They can't.)

 

Give it a name. **** this, no mas, I quit, I'm not fighting this clown... ultimately, the outcome is the same. Duran lost the fight and Leonard won it. That's the official verdict. The rest is just your own strong opinion which doesn't stand up to even the most basic scrutiny.

Here's another opinion. Anyone who calls himself 'Leonard Said No mas' has an almost Trump-esque refusal to acknowledge history and facts.

 

Then why did his team ask for more time and not less time? Leonard called Mike Trainer from Hawaii, where he went right after the fight. Why didn’t Duran’s team say ‘Let’s do it in 2 months?’

You’re basically building a strawman so that no matter what happens unless Duran is back in the ring in 60 days or so then he’s guaranteed to lose his next fight. Yet Duran’s team you say wanted MORE time.

Here’s how boxing doesn’t work, never has: Fighter agrees to contract including date, promoter books venue, spends a ton of money promoting the fight and selling tickets ... and then fighter says ‘You know, I’ve been eating a lot and kind of lazy and I just won’t be in tip-top shape — I’m not injured or anything, I’m just not very professional about how I approach my job — so how about you let me train a little more and I’ll get back to you and tell you when is a good date for me.’

What the heck makes you think they could sell the fight and recover their money (and cover the purses) if they canceled it once due to ‘guy is fat’? People wanna come see the fat boy after he slims down? People who had booked hotels and flights and taken vacation days who got screwed over because Duran was fat are gonna line up to buy tickets for the postponed fight ... knowing he might say ‘Yeah, I really didn’t get after it in the gym after the postponement like I should have, I think I’ll postpone again and go eat some ice cream.’

You’re the one proving my point if you’re saying Duran has to be in the ring every 4 weeks or he’ll blow up like Fat ******* in a Austin Powers movie — so therefore he needs MORE time? If they made the fight for the next March, what in the world makes you think he’d have stopped partying in November and said, ‘time to train.’ He was going to start training when it was time to start training back-dating from the fight date.

If he really gained 50-plus pounds in 3 months (doubtful, borderline impossible), how much would he gain with extra months? A hundred? Two hundred?

Duran did need to stay active but it’s not like non-title fights (at a higher weight class) were uncommon in the day — Arguello had them, and others. Look it up. Some of his layoffs were nearly as long as the ones after Leonard I and he made weight (be it 135 or 140), now he only has to make 147.

It’s 100 percent down on Duran to show up in shape for a fight. He could have said no to the $7M guarantee.

 

This thread is great, but why on earth are you replying to that guy? He's a new member with 7 posts. And nobody in their right mind would create a new account under that username. It's utterly ridiculous. Just ignore him. He's obviously got issues and he's never going to give you an objective debate. Move on.

 

You're moving the goalposts now. Now you want to talk about who's fault it was or that the responsibility to come into a fight prepared is nobody else's but Duran's. I've never said otherwise, nor said that is what he should've done. So no, the goalpost moving is not what we were talking about. I was disputing your theory that since Duran had more time then he ever had, he likely wasn't that far out of shape and had plenty of time to get the weight back off. I dispute this theory with actual proof from the fighters career. IN LESS TIME he wasn't able to get into LW shape to defend his title. When he won fights less significant, with less of a payday, he still wasn't in shape enough in between fights to defend is LW title. THAT IS THE POINT. Him having more of a layoff in between fights means it was MORE likely he got further out of shape, not less likely. Which again, is the point we are talking about and what you tried (didn't) prove.

 

Yeah quitting is ending it on his own terms. Anyone can quit after being beaten up and humiliated. Ray was surprised who wouldn't be if someone quit. And he did beat him. He dazzled him moved countered him and Duran could not fight his fight so he quit. It was an easy win for Ray..

 

Him having more time allowed him to have a longer training camp. The fight negotiated from soon after the first one so he made his choices of what to do with that time. The issue isn’t how much time he had, it’s how he used it.

News flash: He wasn’t going to defend the lightweight title every 4-5 weeks. He was going to defend it every few months and stay busy in between. It wasn’t like they said ‘Let’s have a lightweight title defense in 3 months OMG HE’S GINORMOUS NEVER MIND better make it for 140 instead!!!’

 

[QUOTE="Jel, post: 19416708, member: 117877"1.
]... ultimately, the outcome is the same. Duran lost the fight and Leonard won it. That's the official verdict.

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Anyone who calls himself 'Leonard Said No mas' has a refusal to acknowledge history and facts.[/QUOTE]

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Official verdict of Holyfield/Lewis I is a draw. You really think Lewis did not win that fight?
Official verdict of OJ Simpson trial was not guilty. You really think OJ is not guilty?
We all saw that Duran v Leonard fight in New Orleans. We all saw what Leonard was doing, we all saw Duran say enough of this sh!t. Who cares what BoxRec has as an official verdict?

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I have "a refusal to acknowledge history and facts"? On the contrary, I have a strong desire to acknowledge history and facts. You do realize that Copernicus and Galileo said the Earth revolved around the sun. You would have stupidly said they have "an almost Trump-esque refusal to acknowledge history and facts." Well, you are doing the same here with me. What I am putting forth is actual truth. Duran was tired of being in a dog and pony show. He was there to fight, Leonard was there to flurry. Duran said "F**k this" and just walked away from that clown and his nonsense. It's a prize FIGHT! Duran wanted to fight, his opponent did not. Duran left the scene. That's history, that's fact. The Earth revolves around the Sun. Got it?

 

I don't believe he has to lose that much,but if he really did what does that say about his professionalism? Whose fault is that?

 

Yep, you're right - my mistake. Sometimes I get locked in without really meaning to. I'm done with him now.

 

According to this, Don King informed Duran in early September that the fight would be held Nov. 25.

That’s almost all of September and November and every single day of October. Three months to prepare. The first fight was June 20. So less than three months after the first fight he’s told he’s got three months to prepare for the second.

 

Actually that is exactly what happened in few cases. He was in negotiations and the governing body wanting him to face his no. 1, but he skirted around this a few times and got some none title fights mixed in there so he could work himself down to LW. There is a reason Arcel is on record numerous times talking about how difficult it was to keep Duran's weight down and in the gym. But I suppose all the stories about this are just made up? That is what it would have to believe in order to buy your theory. You seem to act like Duran's non-title weight jumps were routine and just what fighters did, and didn't illustrate a clear problem Duran had. I believe that is a ludicrous theory to put forward, and not one based on reality or logic. For Christ's sakes, do you take Super Welterweight fights... 3 divisions NORTH where your champion... just because... well.. fighters back then did this all the time... I mean what did you expect him to defend his LW title every 4-5 weeks.... LMAO. This is bordering on silly now. Him taking those Super Welterweight fights shows exactly how out of shape he would get in between fights... fights with LESS time in between them and with less of a payday. More time off and more complacency, oh yeah, I'm sure he got right back in the gym once word came up of a fight possibly happening.... I have some swamp land to sell you if you buy that theory.

 

What super weightweight fights (plural)?

I’m seeing one in Panama against a 1-3 guy who he knocked out in 2 by looking at him hard. Everything else is around 140 (for his non-title fights) until he started to test himself above lightweight with an eye to moving up — the few fights prior to Carlos Palomino.

That’s not a fat pig not making weight. That’s a guy who is testing on a welterweight suit to see how it fits.

What exactly is your point? What is your scenario that this should have happened? Leonard has to be back in the ring 6 days after Montreal for the rematch? What? Tell me how your line of thinking works without Duran losing to WHOEVER he’s going to fight after Montreal ... but only one of those fights put $10M in his bank account.

 

This is beyond ridiculous and revisionist .