Thoughts on Canelo-GGG II

Out of all the 'media' that scored both fights only 2 gave it for Canelo (1 for the 1st 1 for the second) that's about 34 scores, can't remember exactly how many, a good 4 or 5 for both fights scored it a draw. I will not accept GGG didn't deserve the decision in either fight, others can think otherwise, but that's my stance

 

I made GGG the winner I watched it in Thailand Sunday morning ,sitting with two Yanks who were both big Canelo fans,we all thought Golovkin deserved the nod,as he did in the first fight.
I guess money still talks the loudest and Canelo is the cash cow.

 

I had a draw (twice) in the first fight and Canelo in this fight by one point. I find it remarkable how many bitchass crybabies moan about this fight, which is almost universally acknowledged as a one round swing fight, being a robbery. Its ridiculous. Gennady Golovkin came out looking like he ran into a brick wall face first at full speed and regardless of what compubox says I still think Canelo was landing the cleaner blows more consistently in both fights. Nevermind that the vast majority of blows GGG landed were jabs that franklin didnt land as often as compubox or cheerleader Jim Lampley said. Sorry guys, a jab that makes a noise because it connects on a high guard or gloves is not a scoring blow yet if you go back and look at compubox rd by rd statistics they are scoring these. And thats all beside the fact that GGG was throwing so many jabs because Canelo was the one pressing the fight. In the first fight I thought Canelo did a better job of fighting his fight but GGG offset that with aggression and enough power punches that he saved a draw. In this fight he didnt even do that. It was a very close fight and close fights arent robberies. Especially not if you go into it looking for a robbery like most seem to have done. “I knew GGG couldnt win a decision in Vegas” is a commonly repeated epithet. That says it all. You went in looking for a robbery so you found one. Had Canelo won by two or three more rounds you likely still would have found a robbery if you went looking for it.

 

I go with Compton on this fight. I wish two things: (1) the announcers would shut up and let we the people score the fights on our own; and (2) that these punch-counting machines would be barred forever. Why don't we call them punch-blocking machines instead? On average, as many touching punches are blocked by arms and elbows as land. Everything else equal, the guy that blocks the most punches should win on the basis of ring generalship.

Any arm-chair fan can score a fight just as competently (better probably) than Jim Lampley. Let us alone, goddammit.

 

I wanted Canelo to win and had money on him but thought GGG clearly won.

 

I had it 114-113 GGG, but a few rounds were very close.

 

I felt GGG won both fights. They robbed him of his title.

 

It was closer than the first fight, but I still have GGG 2-0. I can see someone finding 7 rounds to give to Canelo due to how close some rounds were and depending on preference, so not an out an out robbery. Just another case where the benefits of the doubt go to Canelo, which is the story of his career, whether he needs them or not.

I still think it's absurd that over 24 rounds, only 1 judge out of 6 found it for GGG. Then again, these guys found a judge that gave him 6 rounds vs Floyd and another that had him 3 rounds away from winning that fight, where I thought giving him 2 rounds was generous. They found a judge that gave Cotto 1 round vs him. Canelo is a heck of a fighter, but between the judges being in his pocket and the PED's, it's shortchanging his legacy.

 

If we're shooting straight, it's not like you have to look for Canelo robberies. They'll find you. All these except Trout were in Vegas:

118-109 vs Trout

114-114 vs Mayweather. 116-112 Mayweather.

117-111 vs Lara

119-109 vs Cotto

118-110 vs GGG I

So no, I'm not surprised people were expecting a robbery in this fight given that favorable cards are par for the course for Canelo. Perhaps if it weren't such a recurring theme with him, people wouldn't jump to that conclusion so quickly.

 

8-4 to Golovkin, same as the first fight.

The difference is that this time it was Golovkin that had Canelo catching flies with his defence, and it was Golovkin that landed the cleanest, heaviest punches of the fight. What's more he did more damage. He broke Canelo's nose and by the end of the fight Canelo looked like he was growing a vagina on his face. I feel that not only did GGG win clearly, but that its also rotten to take away the belts from a multiple belt champion with a losing performance.

Canelo has a history of favourable decisions and this was no different.

 

This reminds a little bit of the Toney-Griffin fights. Two reasonable close fights, yet Toney deserved the decision in both. Same goes for GGG.

 

"punch-blocking machines"

If you're referring to the possibility that quite a number of Golovkin's jabs, which landed on Canelo's gloves, were counted as legitimate 'punches landed', I'm with you on that.

 

I'd agree with this. If this was a one off decision I could live with it, but there's such a consistant pattern of bias.

For the record I also agree punch stats are ****.

 

If we are shooting straight GGG fans had an unrealistic view of the guy. Hes fought two quality opponents in his career in three fights and arguably went 0-3. Hes a killer when hes fighting hobos like Vanes and his fans love that. They want the guy to keep his cloak of invincibility so they can pretend he was in the same class as the greats. Hes not. The first fight he took on a smaller guy coming up and couldnt beat him. The second fight he took on the same smaller guy who was coming off surgery and a year layoff and still couldnt win. People acting like this fight was an all time great robbery are nuts and are showing a heck of a lot more bias than the judges did. I keep hearing: “He couldnt beat the judges” well, the judges didnt climb in that ring, outbox GGG, land harder punches more often, force the fight, mess his face up, and cause GGG to abandon his typical style of boxing. Alvarez did that.