Thoughts on Canelo-GGG II

I generally agree with much of what you say, I think you're a big off here, actually quite a bit off when it comes to the first fight. The second fight was clearly no robbery and I think Canelo fought a hell of a fight. I scored it for GGG, barely, but could see it as a draw or a possible Canelo win by a point. The first fight, which you seem to indicate was absolutely not a robbery I disagree with fully. We can define robbery many different ways... Whitaker vs. Ramirez robbery or Whitaker vs. Chavez robbery. Sure the Chavez fight was closer, but it was a robbery none the less. In the first fight, there isn't a single way you could score that fight for Canelo, and frankly you can't even get to a draw. ALL the major aspects how to score a fight went to GGG. Punches landed, aggression, power punches landed, ring generalship... we could go on and on... Canelo didn't win any of the subjective categories, nor did he win the tangible ones like actually landing punches. The whole, I'll throw a few meaningful punches a round, but DAMN THEY LAND GREEEAAATTTT, and then I'll shake my head when I'm getting clocked and outlanded 4 to 1. That doesn't make for any type of close fight, let alone a fight where you could get to a draw. This last fight, much much closer, and I could see it. However, I'm only talking about the first fight, and imo you're off base in your assessment of that fight.

 

A quick aside since you didn't address the cards. You say people are "looking for something with Canelo and then finding it"... You don't think these cards point to a clear bias in the favor of Canelo? There is no justification for the scores below, yet they consistently happen for him. So if they consistently happen for him, that isn't looking for something, doesn't it become a pattern (fact)?

118-109 vs Trout

114-114 vs Mayweather. 116-112 Mayweather.

117-111 vs Lara

119-109 vs Cotto

118-110 vs GGG I

 

Actually I love this, and Canelo a natural Jr.middle was dominated by a blown up welter, but natural jr.light who didn't have a legitimate ko at welter. Again its's easy to be merely good but look great fighting sub par competition.

 

The aggression wasn't a big part for me personally, but since so much was made out of it the last time around when GGG was the agressor I'm puzzled by all the outrage still. For me, Canelo landed the better shots in both fights. He did more damage. That's the bottom line for me. But it was still very close and I have no problem with those thinking GGG edged it. It's just the whole "robbery" thing that has me non-plussed.

Yes, Paulie had it for GGG. But Mikey Garcia, Roberto Garcia, RJJ, Ward and Mayweather sr was among those that had it for Canelo. From what I've seen so far, those with actual experience from the ring has mainly scored it for Canelo.

 

Yes, that is what I am referring to!

 

This right here. I had GGG 115-113 but with several very close rounds I could see a draw.

What did we learn from this fight? That GGG is past his prime and Canelo has entered his prime.

That being said, and with the data provided above, anyone who is impartial must come to the conclusion that you must ko Canelo into unconsciousness to get a victory . Even then the ref might DQ the winner. Floyd only won (barely!) because, well, he's Floyd. Now, Canelo is the A side, the A++++ side, the one with the big Latino PPV buying audience.
I realize this comes as a shock, but Canelo' s fights are wrestling type preordained outcomes.

But no, it wasn't a robbery. The judges could pocket the $$ knowing it was in fact a close fight . Not like Adelaide Byrd, or the Trout judge, or the nut job who scored the Floyd fight a draw (!). They are going to judge hell.

 

Who did you have winning the first fight?

 

Canelo didn't land the much better shots the first fight... Not only did GGG land more power punches... he just landed more punches in general. Canelo certainly didn't do more damage in the first fight, so I'm really unclear where that logic came from. The people you listed had Canelo winning the second fight. That I could see. Those same people clearly thought GGG won the first fight clean. Yet, somehow you think Canelo won the first fight... based on what... Throwing 10 punches around, backing away most of the fight and shaking his head while being hit? That had him magically land the harder blows? Come on man.

 

I had Golovkin by 2 rounds, but I'll watch it again. No one in the pub where I had breakfast thought Canelo had won. The consensus among those there was that Canelo is the "cash cow."

 

The GGG butthurt is severe on this site.....

According to his nut huggers he was ko'ing Heavies in sparring....leading to the Canelo rematch he was "brutalizing" his sparring partners........it was a foregone conclusion that he would KO the junior middle Canelo, no doubt, lol.

Come fight time it is obvious that he is not the killer puncher and he sure aint fighting "Mexican " style and believes he can win a fight with the jab alone.....zero skills to adapt, he is catching shot after shot as evidenced by his banged up face while Canelo looked like he just came out of the Spa plus Canelo is a modest puncher at best, icing glass chinned Khan means shid.

Bumlovkin is a little harsh but in the zipcode of reality because once he even remotely stepped up he struggled mightily .

There is a reason he never stepped up and fought Ward......he would not have won a round and could possibly have been stopped in the late rounds, Ward would have administered a absolute clinic.

 

I'll take the fact that you sidestepped entirely all those bad Canelo cards as a possible reason for why people were fed up with the GGG 2 scorecards as an acknowledgement that you had no real comeback for it.

People with no axe to grind have been on Canelo about that for far longer than the GGG fights. You know it too, otherwise I'm sure you'd have noted where that post was full of crap instead of the anti GGG rant you just went on.

Yeah, some backlash has come from GGG fans and there's some overreacting. There's also a lot of neutral fans and fans who were fed up with Canelo always catching the breaks that are making plenty of noise about it before the Golovkin fights. It's no biggie to you because it worked against GGG, but it's pretty pompous to act like it never existed because it fits your preferred story better.

 

I never bought into the hype but you obviously are biased against him.Canelo is a good puncher, especially to the body calling him a modest one smacks badly of an attempt to denigrate Golovkin further. Check out Canelo's one punch body shot ko of Liam Willams.Golovkin is 36 and past his best but he gave a great effort and imo won the fight by 2 rds.

 

You have no clue how the business of boxing works. Many in the media including TV Azteca gave it to GGG, and ESPN Mexico had it a draw. The promoter picks the judges and Canelo has many more years left of boxing. Rounds 5,6,7,8,9 of Which GGG landed more punches in three of them were scored 4-1 for Canelo by all three judges. And round 12 on one card was given to Canelo, otherwise we have a draw.

Once again when you see numbers like this, its a sure sign.

Here are all the cards from people covering or in boxing.

116 = Felt Golovkin won
021 = Draw
009 = Felt Canelo won [includes 2 Golden Boy promoters]

116/146 = 79% had GGG winning the fight.
021/146 = 15% had a draw.
009/146 = 06% had Canelo winning the fight.

 

It was a shock, but after the first one, almost expected. Flipping 7-5 cards the other way around in big events seems to be the new normal for boxing judges. Upon 2nd view I had it 7-4-1. Up next is Joshua vs Povetkin. I see strange odds, based on this " new normal "

Joshua is the cash cow, much younger and fighting in his home area. Povetkin age 39 who can retire on Monday for all we know has 0.0 chance of winning a media score cards decision, unless he has a knock down or to prevent a 7-5 flip...for the sake of business. This is why Povetkin is a such a huge underdog, and Joshua a huge favorite.

 

Thats false.
Canelo in both fights outlanded GGG in power punches.

In the first fight , Canelo landed more clean blows in the 12th round alone than GG did in he entire fight.

Apart from one right hand across the dome , GGG landed nothing but jabs. All the right hands , uppercuts , body shots and combinations came from Canelo.

Punch variety isn't documented by compuabox , but landing varied shots count way more on the judges cards than just jabs.