Brit boxing writer Colin Hart leaves Wlad out of his Top Ten heavies OAT

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hart`s list:
    No.1 Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Holmes
    4. Jack Johnson
    5. Lewis
    6. Holyfield
    7. Mike Tyson
    8. Vitali
    9. Foreman
    10. Frazier
    Is this a decent list or not?
     
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  2. Okin129

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    I don't agree with his list but i don't have either Klitschko in my personal top 10.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Looks like a head-to-head list? He's betting big on Johnson, that's or sure.

    Presuming it's head-to-head, nothing wrong with it.
     
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  4. Fergy

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    No sign of Marciano ..
     
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  5. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wouldn’t have either Klit in the top 10 and Vitali never unified. His top 6 is acceptable but Tyson feels too high at 7 (as much as I like him) especially when there’s no Marciano, Dempsey or Liston and he’s ahead of Foreman and Frazier.
     
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  6. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Replace Johnson with Dempsey and Vitali with Marciano
     
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  7. Fergy

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    Swap Tyson with Foreman and replace Vit with Dempsey ,would even it up for me .
     
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  8. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure I've seen any ATG lists that have either of the Klitsscko's in the Top-10...

    ...before now.
     
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  9. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hart has long labelled Dempsey and Marciano as myths, and stated that they were too small to compete with modern era heavyweights.

    I’m surprised if he has Lewis that high, as he has previously said that he was on the same level as Joe Bugner....
     
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  10. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not a bad list but I can't understand why Hart or anyone else would have Vitali in the top 10, ATG Heavyweights don't quit against fat middleweights, only other elite HW Vit faced was an old, arrogant, out of shape, disinterested Lennox Lewis who turned Vit's face into a butcher's slab and stopped him in 6. Some ATG.
     
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  11. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Seems like bias - you have Louis and Holmes as your 2-3 but the man with next longest dominant stretch as the clear best heavy in the world can’t make the top 10. Seems off and done by design.
     
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  12. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I'm not convinced Vitali deserves that rank, but otherwise I'd say it's fine.

    So many great heavyweights some need left out.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Though Wlad was not the clear No.1 for nearly as long.
     
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  14. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sure he was - vitali tore his ACL and retired in 04 for 4 years. Wlad was clear the best after that and fought superior completion to his brother. Then his brother retired again and Wlad was clear cut number 1 until Fury dethroned him in a stinker. 11 years. You can’t have Louis and Holmes 2 and 3 and then not have Wlad anywhere in your top 10. It belies his own system
     
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  15. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    That list is terrible, I don't know anyone who would put Vitali over Foreman or Frazier.

    This list needs drop Vitali and Johnson, add Dempsey and Marciano, drop Tyson a few ranks, put Foreman above Holmes, and put Lewis below Holyfield
     
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Sep 22, 2018
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