Could Mayweather have made it to the top during the era of Sugar Ray, Hagler, and Hearns?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Mayweather would only have had a slight chance at beating Ray at middle and no chance of beating Hearns at middle, he might have been able to beat Tommy at welter but the higher in weight that they would have met the more Floyd`s chances get slimmer, in fact I don`t think Floyd would have even gone up to light middle during the 80`s, he wouldn`t have fought Benitez at light middle the way Hearns did.

    As a welter I feel he could have beat Benitez the same way Leonard did, Floyd was quicker at welter even though he looked great vs Canelo at light middle, Canelo was very green in that bout and fought the wrong kind of fight, though I feel Mayweather would have beaten Mugabi at light middle better than Hagler did at middle, so he might have won a world title at the weight, but I don`t he could have beaten the best fighters at that weight in the 80`s, McCallum and Hearns even though Tommy only had a few fights at 154lbs.

    Even though Floyd would have stood a good chance of beating Ray and Tommy at welter I don`t think he would have taken the risk in fighting them and would only have fought for that title when these two weren`t champs in that division.

    I feel when Hearns and Leonard moved up to middle Floyd would have made it to the top of the P4P rankings above them by beating Pryor, Curry and Starling eventually I feel.
     
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  2. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Stop talking complete bollocks for one ****ing day and give us all a break eh?
    Floyd would have a good chance of beating Srl & Hearns at Welter.?
    What ****ing planet are you on?
    Just ****ing stop with these bollocks threads!

    My apologies to the rest of the Classic forum for the rant.
     
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  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Why would Floyd back then go up to Middleweight? He was a Super Featherweight.

    He easilly could have had a good career fighting at weights lower than them. Maybe he'd surpise us, but no way can I back him against these naturally bigger greats (especially Hagler and Hearns)

    Duran is probably the most relevant match up.
     
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  4. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thomas Hearns would be the absolute worst style match up for Mayweather to face .
     
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  5. KelandBeave

    KelandBeave Fab 4 Full Member

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    No need for Mayweather to fight at 160lbs so he never fights Hagler, he probably doesn't even fight at 154lbs in that era..... He was much smaller than Hagler and Hearns.
     
  6. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd would have tangled with Cervantes & Pryor down at Jr. WW.
     
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  7. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In a land of 4 titles, it is possible he gets one. What he is not doing is cleaning out a division. The depth was far greater then & the Mayweather team is not signing contracts for risky fights.
     
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  8. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    He wouldn't even have gone up to welter in the first place after about 78/79. It depends on the timeline and what age/version of him we're talking about at what weight, I think. If he was a superfeather/lightweight when Leonard, Hearns and Hagler emerged as champs around the turn of the decade, it's interesting. At 130 I could see him picking at a weaker splinter titleist like Serrano and milking the WBA strap against the likes of Uehara and Hernandez if he didn't fancy tackling Arguello, long enough for Alexis to move up lightweight despite it being a winnable fight for Mayweather. The WBA/WBC non-unification bollocks scenario would probably have prevented the fight from taking place anyhow. Fights with Escalera and Everett might make for good viewing.

    Then follows the likes of Boza, Limon, Chacon etc if he opted to stay at 130; fights he'd probably take and win. Maybe he even pre-empts Arguello and goes for Watt or Kenty first? Knocks off a few scalps afterwards. Is it then that he'd take the plunge against Pryor or not?

    Or eventually move up to 147 to take on McCrory after Leonard and Hearns had moved on? Milt was highly rated/overrated at the time and would probably be seen as a significant test/risk, though hindsight says that it's a very winnable one for Floyd. Curry would be the stumbling block and that's a fight I see Mayweather avoiding th h; he'd have enough pain with Honeyghan and especially Starling imo. Maybe he picks off Breland for a name victory.

    Going back, if his move to welter coincided with the emergence of Leonard, Hearns etc, he doesn't move up imo and is possibly content to defend the 140 strap pilfered from the ageing and fading Cervantes? Possibly with a highly intriguing encounter with the young Benitez at some point?

    Prior to that, I doubt he would've gambled against Duran at lightweight. DeJesus wouldve been a tough one too, though it's a highly intriguing and closely contested fight. Before any of this, he probably has a dominant run through the early/mid 70s at 130. Plenty of notable but not overly threatening propositions like Shibata, Villaflor etc and eventually Escalera.

    This is all conjecture, obviously. And probably bollocks if I'm honest. Also, I typed Kuniaki Shibata into boxrec and the auto-thingy changed it to miniskirt shivers, which will make me happy til I hit the sack tonight.
     
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  9. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    ****, that was longer than I intended.
     
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  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    No way at welter. He’d be a great matchup w Pryor at 140. Post Duran at 135 for sure.
     
  11. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Floyd was fighting in the late 70s - early 80s, he'd wait for SRL, Hearns to move up and would have never fought them.
    He'd have never fought Hagler, why would he though? Floyd was way smaller than SRL.

    Floyd would be fighting Arguello, Pryor maybe, then Benitez and probably Duran at WW.
     
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  12. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I couldn’t stand Mayweathers cocky attitude and the first 3/4 of his career was awaiting his KO. After awhile like watching Jordan or Lebron you just had to sit back and admire greatness. May never see a fighter like FM again. IMO he is a top five ATG. Maybe even the best p4p...hard to argue with his stats. How anyone can get in that ring with the best and not be hit the way he did is still mind boggling to me.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Sorry to offend you I just feel all three fighters were elite, Floyd was better defensively than Tommy and Ray, he`s one Top Ten fighters of all time, I will say this though, even though I feel he would have had a chance at welter, I don`t feel he would have taken the risk in fighting either of these guys.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Because Leonard was a welter and Duran hit as hard as Ray at welter, maybe you`re talking about Ray`s reach.
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Their were only four titles in the late 80`s, when the WBO was one by Hearns at super middle I think he was the organisations first champ at that weight, so by that time Tommy couldn`t have met him or Ray anyway because both guys had moved up to super middle, by the time Ray moved back down to light middle to fight Norris, he waS finished, while Ray and Tommy were at welter there were only two titles the WBC and WBA.