Joe Rogan and Teddy Atlas on Golovkin-Canelo 2 and Mayweather-Pacquiao

May [Pac should have been made a No Contest. I Thomas Hauser hadn't exposed the 750 ml of saline scandal the NSAC & USADA would have swept it under the carpet again & no one would have known about it
GGG was blatantly robbed TWICE by the above State Commission's judgesi. See anything suspicious here ?????

 

I sense a lot of Salt in you CJ .

 

How come you claim to see salt but ignore the corruption that is ruining the sport?? Are you really that naïve , & dumb or are you just a troll??

 

I'm not ignoring corruption, but how come you ignore how good Canelo performed against GGG? Whether you think he won the fights or not, for you to say GGG was blatantly robbed twice takes away from Canelo and what he accomplished in these two bouts.

Pointing out corruption is one thing, but it's worse to falsely claim corruption which take away from a fighter's victory as you are doing than to ignore percieved corruption (which isn't provable by the way).

 

I did NOT ignore Canelo. He fought well & proved he could fight BUT in neither fight did he even come close to beating GGG . GGG outboxed him controlled t6he fight jabbing his head off. He nearly turned Canelo's head right around like the exhorsist with those powerful punches too

 

Looking forward to listening to the full podcast

 

Canelo did more than come close to beating GGG who do you think you're fooling? With statements like that it's hard to take you seriously. (though it is fun debating with you)

It's one thing to argue GGG won either fight. I don't begrudge anyone for thinking that, as I recognize how close both fights were and I know that judging is subjective and you may be looking for different things. We could watch the same fight and see two completely different things (due to expectations, what we value, etc).

But to say Canelo didn't come close to beating GGG is wholly ridiculous. Canelo put on a boxing clinic in the first fight, he landed the harder punches, he made GGG miss, he landed more body shots. Pretty much any metric there is aside from jabs and "coming forward" was in Canelo's favor. Of course jabs count and it's what made the rounds close and so hard to score.

As to the 2nd fight, yes GGG had his moments like when he turned Canelo's head around like the exorcist. But you know there was a similar situation in the first fight when GGG's head turned like the exorcist and you know what GGG fans said about that? They said that GGG reacted like it was a slap lmao.

So you know you can describe anything to sound worse than it really is. But yes GGG had his moment, he made a valiant comeback in the rematch after Canelo was dominanting the first 7/8 rounds, GGG came on strong and made it a classic fight. You should be proud of GGG's comeback, he went out on his shield but don't be a sore loser. You can't ignore the first 7/8 rounds, which Canelo won most of, and arguably the 11th (which all 3 judges gave to GGG, a round that fans continue to ignore only bringing up the 12th) so GGG's rally in the 10th while impressive was not enough to offset what happened in the first 2/3s of the fight.

GGG has nothing to be ashamed of for how he fought over the two fights, but don't be a sore loser. Recognize who the rightful winner was which was Canelo.

 

They weren't ignoring the jabs... they just had to put more creativity into the scorecards.

 

Your either a idiot in denial or troll & a boring one at that lonely.

 

You're salty too aren't you. The truth hurts but I can't ignore salt when I see it.

 

What did he accomplish? He lost the first fight clearly, and made the second one close, still losing.

It's the equivalent of giving Maidana the decisions v Mayweather. Okay MM put in a great shift, but he didn't win. Neither did Canelo.

You want to ignore stolen victories because your man performed well in a loss.

 

Lol You can’t fix stupid man. When actual corruption is talked about on here it just goes over their head and not even close to being comprehended.

It’s just met with “Hur hur derp hur. But ya’ll was saying GGG was goin to beat him doe! Da judges had it for Canelo! You jus salty!”

Better to just discuss corruption with neutral people with IQ’s over 80. It’s possible to talk sense into them. Otherwise you’re just wasting time with the majority of Canelo ‘fans’

 

Canelo won the rematch, but frankly in many ways I was more impressed with Canelo's performance in the first fight because of how often he slipped punches, how he set traps for GGG and made him pay. Those brutal uppercuts landed on Gennady in the middle rounds were truly awesome to watch.

So he accomplished the impossible going into these two battles. So many fans said he was scared to fight Gennady, then after the first fight he was running away, then in the 2nd fight he comes out and fights GGG toe to toe, walks GGG down, fights the fight that GGG fans and Team GGG wanted Canelo to fight and comes out with a victory.

It's awe inspiring what Canelo accomplished in these two wars with GGG and now he's the Unified MW Champion. You comparing these fights to Maidana Mayweather is laughable. And by the way plenty of people had Maidana winning the first fight so your argument falls flat there.

As I've pointed out several times, Floyd didn't even take Maidana seriously in the first fight, and it almost cost him, but the dynamics that existed there were completely different than what we saw between Canelo and GGG. I'm not ignoring anything, you're the one complaining about stolen victories because your man performed well in a loss and you can't accept what happened.

 

I have an Iq of 150 and 20 years of watching the sport. I had GGG clearly winning the first fight and Canelo clearly winning the second fight. Canelo has received shady decisions in the past and deserved to lose the first GGG fight for sure IMO. I had Canelo clearly winning a close fight in the second.
Are you sure you’re not conflating the first fight with the second and overcompensating for the perceived injustice from the first fight with a biased perception for GGG in the second fight? Now certainly isn’t the time to talk about corruption, in a fight that close you have no argument at all for it. Canelo is the man now.