Team Wilder Says No Joshua Fight In 2019; No Flat Fee And Rematch Clause Is A Must...

50/50 split is not gonna happen, I guess we're just never gonna see the fight if this is something Wilder's team insanely wont budge on. Kinda crazy the older fighter Wilder (33) wants to push this fight back another 12 month period. Wilder could be 35 by the time this fight happens if it ever does, and it will be because of his and his teams request. Just strange, have they never negotiated a big money fight before?

 

Well I suppose when you look at team Wilder they usually have a degree of control when it comes to fights their guys are in. Think Al Haymon. In this fight I’d wager it’s quite difficult for Wilder’s team to submit to Hearn’s terms, as in reality Hearn would be the one in control. We know Wilder’s the b side, but in essence so are his team, and that’s what appears to be difficult.

 

Being American, I think Wilder brings more to the table from a commercial perspective than UK fans are willing to acknowledge. But even if that's not right, what you are saying doesn't take into account the "boxing" perspective.

Wilder being willing to fight in the UK is a significant concession in terms of his chances of winning the fight. I also think the time is right for AJ to stake his claim for all the marbles.

He's hurting his own boxing legacy by not making the fight & becoming undisputed h/w champion of the world (in the real meaning of that term).

Not his commercial/business legacy, but his sporting legacy. I'm sure he values that highly which is why I think the fight will get made. The offer just needs to be favourable enough as a split to get the Wilder camp to agree.

 

I'm also American, Wilder doesn't bring near the commercial appeal he or his fans thinks he does. It would be just as big if not bigger a risk for Joshua to accept the fight in the US (Vegas.) Neutral location and judges is the only way to remedy that, but they are not passing up putting over 90,000+ in Wembley and I don' t blame them. Who's he Joshua or Wilder, the fight not getting made effects both men's sporting legacies.

 

Ive said it before and I will say it again, Wilder LOVEs his trinket. He does NOT want to loose it. He would rather keep it then RISK it at this point in time.

He realizes fighting AJ means more money and more trinkets but he is willing to wait and demand a rematch clause even though he is the B side.

 

Great. Id love to see Joshua vs Whyte 2, or Miller, Usyk, Joyce, H.Fury, Hrgovic etc. Wilder or Fury will come to the table when their ready.

 

I think the numbers Wilder v Fury does will determine Wilder's commercial appeal in the US.

Wilder as an opponent for AJ will increase AJ's recognition factor in the US & potentially his future earnings from that market.

 

I'd prefer to see Joshua v Wilder for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world.

 

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Joshua already is undisputed. Danny Williams is the GBF world heavyweight champion, doesnt change that fact. Overhyped fight vs an overhyped fighter that will have an underwhelming ending.

 

If the Wilder Fury fight: A happens and B does well, then in exchange for fighting in the UK, and for accepting other terms like waiving his own rematch demand, I think 45% to Wilder is fair and gets the job done. I honestly think both sides are savvy and professional enough to get the job done. I had doubts about Wilders team before, but the Fury play is brilliant, and shows they truly did have more options than just accepting the 30% or less that was on the table. Assuming Wilder fury happens (still a big assumption), and assuming Wilder wins (an even bigger assumption), the AJ Wilder fight will then make too much sense for both parties not to make next year.

 

Any rematch requests/clauses shouldn't be a problem, personally I think they should have two fights anyway, one in the UK and one in the US.

They should be negotiating and making two fights, so that is a non issue.

As for a flat fee, we will see what Wilder Vs Fury does numbers wise and see what Wilder gets paid for that fight then we can start to get a real idea of what Wilder is worth.

Right now, Wilder has no PPV numbers, there is talk he is fighting Fury in a 20K venue, so I believe his demands are based on what AJ earns and the numbers AJ does and not what he does himself and there lies the problem.

Wilder is calculating his worth based on AJ but he isn't AJ, like it or not Joshua is the A-Side, I don't like all that A and B side stuff but Joshua will fill Wembley, Joshua will sell the PPV, Hearn will promote is correctly.

Wilder has been poorly promoted, he hasn't got a huge fanbase, isn't a star and the truth is earns less than KSI and Logan Paul per fight as of now LOL

So demanding anywhere near 50/50 right now is ludicrous and it makes Wilder look completely delusional.

This fight will happen, I believe the end of 2019, there is also a rumour that Fury has a rematch clause so Wilder may well have to fight Fury again in April/May anyway so I think AJ will fight Whyte in April, around the same time Wilder and Fury will rematch and AJ vs Wilder will happen early September 2019 (assuming they both win)

I'm starting to think AJ/Hearn will blank Fury even if he beats Wilder, I have a feeling they will fight Wilder regardless, you could almost see desperation in Fury over the weekend when he started whining that he wasn't mentioned for a potential AJ fight, I believe Fury has FW and his big mouth for that.

 

You know what they say about rematch clauses...

 

What for? The other guys fair enough, but not Whyte, he lost clearly.

 

Even though im defending Hearn and Joshua over Finkel in Wilder over these stalling and messy negotiations and im finding it quite clear that Finkel is purposley being awkward and hard to deal with I think at this very moment in time Eddie and DAZN are pushing these negotiations to get done quick for their own reasons.

Hearn wants Joshua v Wilder, April 13th 2019 to be signed for Wembley and they will want this to be on DAZN in the states. If the Wilder Fury PPV is soundly successful not only is that basis for Deontay demanding more money there is guna be a big clash over which network its shown on in the States. If it did end up on DAZN Wilder would still expect to be paid an amount that would be worthy of what would of been achieved on PPV.

Im certainly not holding my breath on this fight being next up for either AJ or Wilder.