Why Oleksandr Usyk Is More Than Capable Of Moving Up & Dominating The Heavyweight Division.

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  1. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You think Usyk has a superior resume to Joshua lmao

    You are a clueless hater log off
     
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  2. BoxingABC1

    BoxingABC1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1). That is debatable
    2). you said that Cruiserweight is the weakest division in boxing, which is patently bollocks. And that is what i replied to, nothing to do with who's resume is better
     
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  3. Luis Fernando

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    Floyd Mayweather's last best performance was when he was 36 years old (against Canelo Alvarez) and not at age 39. When he was close to age 39, he was getting out-boxed by a 0 fight MMA fighter novice that happened to be Connor McGregor. If he fought an elite opponent anywhere near the caliber of Joshua like Errol Spence Jr, he would've been blasted out of the ring worst than Povetkin did.

    Evander Holyfield by age 39 was losing to far inferior opponents than Anthony Joshua. He was losing to low level heavyweights like Larry Donald, blown up middleweight James Toney and etc. That would be equivalent to Povetkin losing to David Price.

    Foreman NEVER faced any elite SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT like Anthony Joshua after age 39. That'd be equivalent to Foreman fighting someone like Lennox Lewis and / or Riddick Bowe, both guys Foreman avoided.

    Point is, after reaching age 39, it's scientifically and historically proven that athletes are no longer elite level, even if they were elites when they were younger.

    There's a reason why there are hardly any Olympic gold medalists in sports like boxing, after athletes reach age 39. There's a reason why NOBODY ever beat an opponent at the caliber of Anthony Joshua at age 39 (or after), whilst having the same age + height + weight + reach disadvantages as Povetkin had against Joshua.

    It's scientifically proven that athletes don't recover from damage (injury damages, training / workout damage and damage from taking punches to the head) at age 39, as they would 10 years earlier. Especially an athlete like Povetkin who has taken more punches to his head, than any other top 10 young heavyweight today and who has boxed more rounds, and who has the most physically taxing highest intensity style, due to being the smallest heavyweight out of the current top 10.

    This is common sense! Povetkin is NOWHERE NEAR his best at age 39.

    It's you who hasn't competed in any sport, similar to boxing, if you are unable to understand these simple concepts.

    Povetkin's durability at age 39 isn't anywhere near as good as it was 5+ years ago. Why? Because by age 39, he has taken thousands more punches than the punches he took 5 years ago = reduced durability.

    Povetkin's stamina at age 39 isn't anywhere near as good as it was 5+ years ago. Why? Because he won't recover from fatigue at that age as quick as he would've 5+ years ago. And he has boxed hundreds, if not thousands of more rounds in his career than any other top 10 heavyweight. Ergo, the accumulated affect of this mileage will decrease his endurance.
     
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  4. Luis Fernando

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    Vitali Klitschko was 'shot' at age 41 when he fought Charr. He is totally irrelevant!

    As for Povetkin, what exactly is the point that you're trying to make, by claiming Mairis Breidis KO'ed Charr faster and more impressively than Povetkin? I'm just asking out of curiosity! If you're trying to prove Breidis hits harder than Povetkin, then that's hardly anything too impressive or meaningful. Since Povetkin ALWAYS had overrated power and never really hit that hard to begin with. I wouldn't at all be surprised for a moment, if Breidis really did hit significantly harder than Povetkin.

    Even Dereck Chisora arguably hits harder, or at least as hard as Povetkin. Along with many other guys. Povetkin isn't an impressive paramter to judge how powerful a boxer is.

    Having said, I don't disagree with your main point. I actually think Usyk would school Anthony Joshua (assuming he is still in his prime and doesn't fight after reaching his late 30's) and Alexander Povetkin, even back to back. As long as he doesn't get caught by too many massive punches.

    I struggle to even envisage Joshua being able to even win rounds against Usyk. I can only see Joshua winning the fight via stoppage or via knockdowns.

    As for Usyk vs Povetkin, Usyk does EVERYTHING better than Povetkin and is also bigger than Povetkin. When you take into consideration Usyk is simply better than Povetkin in every department + is bigger in size, you need to conclude this is a mismatch in favor of Usyk. Povetkin doesn't have a prayer in hell against Usyk!

    Usyk close to shutsout both Povetkin and Joshua back to back in my opinion.

    I can also see other top cruiser weights like Breidis beating many of the top 10 heavyweights today.
     
  5. Luis Fernando

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    Povetkin is literally the oldest (outside of maybe Luis Ortiz) + smallest (in height, weight and reach) compared to any other top 10 heavyweight today. When someone like that is supposed to be one of the best opponents for the number 1 heavyweight in the world like Joshua, you just have to SERIOUSLY, and I mean SERIOUSLY question the quality of the heavyweight division. Or, you have to SERIOUSLY question just how INSANELY GREAT Povetkin is. You can't have it both ways! Either the current heavyweight division is SERIOUSLY poor. Or Povetkin is just an INSANELY talented all time great. You can't claim Povetkin isn't a great, and also claim the heavyweight division is not poor.

    When Povetkin beat Hasim Rahman, Hasim Rahman was far from considered Povetkin's best opponent and Rahman wasn't anywhere near as competitive against Povetkin as Povetkin was against Joshua.

    When Wladimir Klitschko beat Hasim Rahman and Ray Mercer, they were nowhere near as competitive against Wladimir Klitshcko as Povetkin was against Joshua and they were far from Wlad's best opponents.

    So if Povetkin performed as well against Joshua at that age and if he is supposed to be one of Joshua's best opponents, then you have to either accept that Povetkin is some otherworldly great or the heavyweight division simply is poor.
     
  6. gdm

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    Let’s say Usyk 8-4 british robot , do you think he would get UD win? No! They would rob him. AJ got his gold in london although he lost 3 fights, first one clearly.
     
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  7. mirkofilipovic

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    Triple G, Kovalev, povetkin were elite, your hero Ward Needed corrupt officiating to get by Kovalev, Canelo needed corrupt officiating to get by Golovkin, and Povetkin was washed up when Joshua had a competitive bout with him, a 39 year old.

    I guess Broner, Lara, Trout, Peter Quillen, Eubank Jr, Dominic Brezeale, Jacobs, Rigo, Russel, were not as good as you hoped right?

    Your hero Wilder is eventually going to lose, will you say he wasnt as good as you hoped? Are undefeated records really important?
     
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  8. CST80

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    :D :elefant: But.. but... but... But Nothing.:number_one:

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  9. Sandman_

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    Say it ain't so.
     
  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Its @UnleashtheFURY's fault. He got to me in a weak minded moment.:lol: No... I take full blame, I should have stuck with my gut, but.... was afraid of a British stoppage or a BS points win, it was in the UK after all.
     
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  11. LeftRightDownThePipe

    LeftRightDownThePipe Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Can't wait until the next Very Feel triggering. It’s always a good time on here after Usyk wins. :)


    “He feather fisted doe!!”


    Yeah we’ll see.

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  12. Serge

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    I hope Usyk sparks Bellew out cold and then as soon as he's done so Papachenko somersaults over the top rope ala Naz and spits in Bellew's face.

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  13. LeftRightDownThePipe

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    After Bellew is eliminated, HW division is next :D

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  14. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I love it when ppl use "facts" when spouting opinions! I think Usyk will come up in championship fights. I don't think theres a question if he can compete at heavyweight but can he be the champ. He doesn't have a lot of pop but very good stamina. He'll come up short, literally and figuratively. All facts!
     
  15. Heavy_Hitter

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    They didn't beat any ,of the top young fighters, Holyfield lost to Ibragimov, Toney, Valuev, Byrd and more. Foreman lost to Morrison and whole bunch of other mediocre fighters, and only beat Moorer by a lucky punch.
     
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