Turn of the century Vs current, who wins?

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Minimumweight
    Jimmy Barry Vs Chayaphon Moonsri

    Flyweight
    Torpedo Billy Murphy Vs Moruti Mthalane

    Bantamweight
    George Dixon Vs Naoya Inoue

    Featherweight
    Terry McGovern Vs Leo Santa Cruz

    Lightweight
    Joe Gans Vs Vasiliy Lomachenko

    Welterweight
    Tommy Ryan Vs Terence Crawford

    Middleweight
    Kid McCoy Vs Saul Alvarez

    Light Heavyweight
    Bob Fitzsimmons Vs Eleider Alvarez

    Heavyweight/Cruiserweight
    James J Jeffries Vs Oleksandr Usyk
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Its not often you have to say this about the old timer.but I don't know if Jeffries could make cruiserweigth!

    We might end up having to send Fitzsimmons in against Usky, and match Jeffries with Joshua!
     
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    roooooooooooooools
     
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  4. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm unfit to have an opinion on most of the smaller guys, but I do like this thread. It's interesting.
     
  5. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Good point, I was thinking he was only a few pounds over, but I forgot heavyweights still often dryed up back then.

    Still I doubt they did it to the same extent as modern guys with day before weigh ins, and we could just call it a catch weight or something :p.

    I'm not sure when the it changed, but I remember Tommy Ryan saying they used to wear what they fought in at weigh-ins.
     
  6. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was sure, a thread like this would spark some heated discussions - but apparently not!

    Anyway, I'll try to list the 9 fights in descending order of likelihood of a win for the modern fighter, as I see it:

    Inoue-Dixon
    Mathalane-Murphy
    Moonsri-Barry

    Alvarez-McCoy
    Crawford-Ryan
    Usyk-Jeffries

    Alvarez-Fitzsimmons
    Lomachenko-Gans
    Santa Cruz-McGovern

    In the first 3, I believe the old-timers would have VERY little hope of success.

    In the next 3, I would strongly favor the modern fighters - but wouldn't bet my life on it!

    The last 3 are, imo, a bit more difficult to predict. I still can't pick against the moderns with any real conviction, but I think Alvarez-Fitz and (especially) Loma-Gans are very interesting fights... that could tell us a lot about how much boxing has (or hasn't?) evolved, over the last 120 years.
     
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  7. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Why do you give Dixon, Murphy and Barry so little chance?
     
  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd put everything i have on the modern fighters winning the lot.
     
  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dixon is likely the best of the 3 - but Inoue is incredibly good, with great power. I just can't see Dixon holding him off for very long.

    To be honest, Murphy wasn't really much (even in his own time) and was ko'd 30 times against moderate opposition.

    Jimmy Barry was very highly thought of by his contemporaries (and also by some modern historians, like Tracy Callis), and he may have looked good in the 1890s... but his record is incredibly thin. And I mean really, REALLY thin! Nothing there that makes me believe, he would give a modern title holder too much trouble.
     
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  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Murphy probably isn't as good as the others, though I don't think Mthalane is either, but worth noting he had 200 fights, and was often pretty heavilly outweighed, a lot of the KOs were people 20+Ibs heavier.