Do you have Jack Johnson in your top 5 HWs of all time?

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The first part of the question is in the title. Based on how you rank fighters all time, does Jack Johnson make your Top 5 HW list?

    Second part - IYO, does Johnson rank higher on an all time list based on accomplishments or is he higher on an all time list based on h2h criteria?
     
    KuRuPT, Sep 27, 2018
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  2. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Yes based on accomplishments, No based on head to head.
     
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  3. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jack Johnson is definitely in the top 5 along with Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Marciano, and Mike Tyson.

    Hard to say on the second question, since Johnson fought almost every type of style and size of opponent, but many of his fights aren't listed on boxrec.
     
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    Eddie Futch has Louis,Ali, and Johnson as his top 3 in no order of preference.I don't know where he ranked Marciano and Tyson.
     
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    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    You could make a case for Johnson's resume being second only to Louis and Ali.

    It is a shame that there were not rankings through his career, because they would be enlightening.
     
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  6. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    I personally believe that Jack Johnson was overrated, and I rank him 16th, right below Gene Tunney
     
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  7. Seamus

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    No. He was great and is sometimes included in my top 10. However, his reign wasn't much. His performances were irregular in quality. That's if we are going to really nitpick, which when discussing the Top 10 we must.

    Louis and Ali are 1 and 2. Lewis and Holmes follow for me. After that you can choose among Foreman, Holyfield, Frazier, Waldo, Tyson and Dempsey. After that comes Johnson's level.

    Now, if you are going include societal impact exclusively, he may be #1.
     
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  8. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  9. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This should be a thread all its own....
     
    KuRuPT, Sep 27, 2018
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I'll have to put together some kind of ranking.

    Something like this, but I'm not really happy with it.
    Teir I
    Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali
    Teir II
    Jack Johnson, Larry Holmes
    Teir III
    Lennox Lewis, James J Jeffries, Rocky Marciano
    Teir IV
    Evander Holyfeild, Mike Tyson, Jack Dempsey, Wladimir Klitschko, George Foreman
    Teir V
    John L Sullivan, Peter Jackson, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Joe Frazier
     
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  11. Okin129

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    I don't think so, i have him at #13 but you could make a case that he is top 5 based on accomplishments and cultural impact.
     
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  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Yes. I have him at #3.
     
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  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    No, no, no.

    Just try again .
     
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  14. Gudetama

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    Anywhere from 3 to 10 sounds good to me. I currently have him at number 8.
     
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    Liston doesn't even make Tier V?
     
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