[1954] Ezzard Charles: Marciano doesn't really hit hard, Walcott punches harder

You'll get plenty of equivocation and excuses that's for sure!

 

He gave him his hardest fight.I can't think of anyone more qualified to hold court on the subject of Marciano's power .

 

You need sources for a remark like that, otherwise it just smacks of damage limitation on your part.
Other posters have said Charles did not consider Marciano the hardest puncher he faced ,I hadnt seen any quotes to that effect until this one.
We know Cokkell and Moore didn't.

 

As much as I hate to argue with a cranky old man, this is bizarre and stupid even for you.

He didn't knock Charles out here?

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What are you even trying to say, and what damage would I be controlling? Just as your posting of quotes about Marciano's power only make him look better, so does watching the footage.

You really are a bit special, aren't you? The quote is ironic because of what subsequently followed.

I don't need a source. He subsequently got brutally knocked out. He would be dumber than you to maintain that Marciano did not hit that hard.

 

Why would my age inhibit you from debating with me? Frightened you might learn something? Such as the referee never gave Marciano ,"one more round" in the second Charles fight?

Charles was effectually ruined by Marciano in their first fight.
He took a sustained shellacking for 15 rds. He had previously fought Walcott 4 times when he was fresher , and without all that mileage of hard fights on his clock.
In their third fight Walcott took him out with one single left hand. Marciano did not do that, in two tries, he overwhelmed Charles in their second fight with an incessant barrage of shots.To state, as you did ,that he"took him out at will", is not only puerile in the extreme, it implies he could have done so at any he desired.
N.B,
Between being ko'd with one punch by Walcott and his first fight with Marciano Charles had 18 fights ,several of which were very tough ones, and several of which he lost, he was also 3 years younger.

Marciano fan boys like you will extrapolate and wriggle about this quote from Charles and the OP will have his fun watching you do so, its entertaining but eminently predictable.
The damage you are attempting, [rather clumsily,] to control is that you think this is a slur on Rocky.
You Rockista's become hysterically protective if anyone comes forward with any scrap of info that you perceive as possibly detrimental to your great God Of War "Thor Marciano."

Bottom line ,you're not a fight fan, you're a Rocky Fan,whose been spoon-fed all these fairy tales and eaten them up without once questioning their accuracy or provenance. It's not against the law to be so blind and gullible, but anyone refusing to swallow the party line isn't necessarily a hater or cranky.Have a nice day.

 

Please. You are only kidding yourself. He came out saying that the Rock did not hit that hard, and yet he was ruined by the fight?

There are no fairy tales. None. 49-0 against the best the division had to offer is not a fairy tale. 88% knockout ratio is not a fairy tale. The clips that anyone can watch on youtube are not fairy tales. You make yourself look like a buffoon coming out here night after night, trying to discredit a great fighter, and it is sad.

I don't need to do "damage control" for what is manifestly one the greatest fighters and hardest punchers in history. Nor have you done any "damage" to anyone but yourself.

As for your age, I hate talking to a man of your years this way, but you just get on my nerves with your aggressive foolishness. It is not hard to understand that Charles quote came from before he was knocked out by Marciano. There is CONTEXT to it. But then again, you are just going to pretend that he was not knocked out, so, whatever.

 

"Of course, going 15 rounds with Marciano, Charles isn't going to put Marciano up there as a puncher on same level as Walcott." Your quote.
I pointed out that he went he distance with Walcott 3 times,[winning 2 of them] so your "excuse" for Charles saying Walcott hit him harder becomes diluted to the point of being void.

ps Charles also said Marciano wasn't the man who hit him the hardest AFTER their second fight.

 

TBF that Walcott KO is possibly the most brutal the sport has ever seen. If you got KOd like that you probably would say they hit harder than anyone. Either way, Rocky proved he could punch in the rematch and the fact his KO ratio is about 90%, he also KOd everyone he faced as a champion and you can argue everyone he faced at world level.

He might not be the most concussive puncher of all time but I think the facts prove Rocky was most definitely a puncher.

 

He was ruined by the fight precisely because Marciano kept up an incessant bombardment of heavy punches for the whole distance of the fight,just as Layne and Lastarza were ruined by Marciano as a result of the non stop battering they took.
Marciano usually ground down his better opposition Moore ,Lastarza,Charles,Walcott,Louis,Cokkell . FACT!
I first watched Marciano in action in the early 60's on Super 8mm when I bought a collection of his fights.I'm up to speed with him on film thanks. Ive also read extensively about him and spoken to Don Cokkel.
Your nerves don't really give me any cause for concern, but if they are affected by vigorous debate perhaps the rough and tumble of a boxing forum isn't for you? Your quickly resorting to personal insults and pathetic ageism indicates this may well be the case , but don't worry, I can handle a snotty kid like you in my sleep.
Now go away and return with a primary a source that states the referee gave Marciano "one more round ",in the second Charles fight, you ignorant little twerp.

 

Dang, Walcott must’ve hit hard

 

“Earnie Shavers hit me the hardest. Mike Tyson hit like a homosexual.” - James Tillis

Gasp

Since we’re extracting one quote from the world to make a point, what do you Tysonistas say about that, huh!?

 

Absolutely nothing wrong with this post,and the OP does not contradict it in any way.

 

No my point is Charles opinion would necessarily be tempered by the fact that he also went the distance in three fights with Walcott yet he still said he hit him the hardest.We agree on the Walcott left being the hardest single punch Charles received in the Walcott and Marciano fights,at least I've never seen a retraction or change of opinion from Charles stating otherwise. My choice of the word excuse wasn't really aimed at you but the Rockista faction which are in full flow excusing and qualifying the quote apologies for putting it in a post to you, you are above that and I should have remembered it.

 

Dear lord, what difference does it even make? The point is that the quote posted was from before Charles was knocked out by Marciano. Simple point. Even an idiot could understand it, really. Everyone else on the thread gets this.

I have heard it repeated on national television programs that the ref gave him one round. I have also seen it to where his corner was afraid that it would be stopped and told him that he would only have one more. I don't know, because I wasn't there, and neither were you. BUT IT ISN'T THE POINT.

The point is that Charles assuredly changed his opinion of Rocky's power after taking a ten count from the man three months later.

Can you just step outside of yourself for a minute and see clearly what a fool you make of yourself night after night?

 

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Who here says Tyson has mythical punching power?
Please provide instances of it?
Intruiging
Which posters would you classify as Tysonistas?

ps I think Tillis' quote is in particularly bad taste.Emille Griffith and Panama Al Brown were decent hitters and two welter champs of the 70's &80s respectively who are both believed to be gay were both capable of one shot ko power.