Victor Conte:”What Billy Joe Saunders took is ten fold more powerful than what Canelo took”

http://www.nsf.org/consumer-resourc...t-studies/dietary-supplement-study-oxilofrine

Obviously it will be in more supplements than those listed, but those are examples.

 

"As a public health organization, NSF International warns consumers about the potential dangers of these supplements.

Adolescents who use these products might be placing themselves at risk of serious harm. In countries where oxilofrine is prescribed by doctors, the usual amount of the drug for adolescents is 24 mg or less. Our research found oxilofrine in supplements at more than three times the usual pediatric dose. Combined with physical activity and other stimulants commonly found in supplements, the consequences could be catastrophic."

So where exactly do the experts say that Oxilofrine is not better than Clenbuterol? From the readings I've done so far, they want to take Oxilofrine off the shelves. Also I doubt many people on this forum are on dietary supplements lol and BJS is claiming it was from a nasal decongestant, @nervousxtian has claimed that there is no Oxilofrine in nasal decongestants. I did my research and could not find it either, if you can find it, it would debunk that theory, but it very suspicious to me if he's lying.

 

Nobody has said Oxilofrine is good - the EXPERTS who say Clenbuterol is worse are WADA, who have any amount of it, at any time (both in and out of competition) banned at all times. That is not the case with the former.

It is common in nasal decongestants also, yes. I mentioned supplements because it would be perfectly legal for any boxer to use such supplements when training and it not be against any rules. You can't do that with clen, which clearly demonstrates there's a big difference.

 

By the way, if the dosage is extremely low and BJS provides the Nasal Decongestant that had Oxilofrine, sure I believe he shouldn't be reprimanded. But if he can't do something simple like this, he should be suspended for at least 6 months.

 

But VADA bans both. I also think Clenbuterol is banned because of it's potential masking ability more than the effects. I don't think your argument is specific enough to say Clen on it's own is worse than Oxilofrine.

Can you show me some nasal decongestants brands that contains this? Should be easy for you, if it's common.

 

Suspended how? He hasn't broken any rules. The BBBofC have already stated that. UKAD have stated that. UKAD work to WADA rules. The substance is not banned under VADA rules either, the problem is strictly the interpretation of in-competition v out of competition. And because VADA have been contracted, the commission will need to determine whether to follow VADA and not allow the fight to go ahead or to go with WADA and allow it to go ahead.

Worst case, he maybe gets stripped of his title if the fight doesn't go ahead, but my guess is that it will.

 

Can you provide me a source for Oxilofrine being a nasal decongestant? You say it's common, so you should be able to list at least one brand quite easily. That will clear up a lot of things for everyone.

 

VADA doesn't ban both. VADA only bans Oxilofrine IN-COMPETITION, just like all the others. They have the exact same stance. The only difference is VADA say that he is already in competition, whereas WADA/UKAD and BBBofC say he is not.

 

Google it, ffs.

 

Would you provide me with a source for that? I heard differently, I'd rather just read it factually than hear opinions, not saying you're wrong.

By the way I've asked you several times, can you post a source of Oxilofrine being a nasal decongestant. You said it's common, but no one here has been able to find it. I see you just told me to google it. I did. couldn't find it. @nervousxtian brought it up first, several of us looked it up and couldn't find it. The fact that you told me to "google" it instead of just naming a common nasal decongestant makes me wonder how common it is or if it's even in any nasal decongestant.

 

Hmmm @LordSouness you seem to have gone quiet I guess you couldn't find it.

I just want to clear it up. The only source you provided was one that said it's in some diet supplements. As someone who wants to get to the bottom of everything and just know the "truth", I want to see facts, not just people stating things. If you can provide sources that VADA only bans it in-competition and ONE just one brand of Nasal Decongestant that contains Oxilofrine, that would clear things up for almost everyone on this forum. Right now even if people are saying factually correct things, without backing it up it has absolutely no substance, since others are saying different things as well.

 

Here are the lists from WADA, you can search both the All Times and In-Competition lists and see for yourself.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/content...rowth-factors-related-substances-and-mimetics

He is licenced by BBBofC, who test in accordance with UKAD - which follows WADA rules. Nobody else has jurisdiction to discipline the fighter, regardless of their rules.

 

? What are you going on about lol. You told me that VADA doesn't ban it out of competition. Can you present me with a source. I already know WADA allows it out of competition, hence this whole confusing debacle. Thanks for the information that we all knew though.

As for him being punished, that was more me speaking out of emotions than actually saying he's going to be factually banned. It's fishy as hell to me if he cannot provide the brand of the nasal decongestant he used.

By the way, you haven't seem to provide a source for a nasal decongestant that has Oxilofrine. Having issues finding it?

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2439527/

Here is where it says it can be found in nasal spray. It would be nice to know when he actually used the spray. I don't understand this out/in competition from UKAD it makes no sense when they do all year random testing. It seems to me that they are scared to death of having another Tyson Fury case.