Victor Conte:”What Billy Joe Saunders took is ten fold more powerful than what Canelo took”

It is a masking agent. Correct. That IS the benefit, numbnuts.

To enroll in yearly-VADA testing would involve a contract - they are not doing it for free. I never mentioned anything about whether it would be random or not or involve a fight contract.

 

If your argument is he's using it for a masking agent so it's worse than oxilofrine CLARIFY that you absolute moron lmao. You wasted all of my time for this.

I clearly stated from the start that we're arguing about which drug is worse independently. Which is what is ARGUING for. So you're agreeing Conte isn't wrong here correct? There's no proof at all that he used it as a masking agent, so we have to argue with factual evidence.

Oxilofrine on it's own is worse than Clenbuterol. Thank you for finally conceding <3. That was a huge waste of time.

Also do me a favor and stop being a total jerkoff that just lies and talks out of their ass because you want to defend a fighter you like. "It's a common nasal decongestant doe", "BJS told me that doe", "Google it doe!".

 

Ok don’t be badmouthing the members to me, don’t try to get me in your lil club, that guy has made some very fair and interesting points.

To be fair it’s not a easy google for a number of reasons. If it was you would have hopefully already tried to get at least some information on the subject you lazyass, lol

 

He hasn't made one fair point relevant to the arguments.

The only arguments are

1. Is Clenbuterol worse than Oxilofrine independently

2. Do nasal decongestants commonly have Oxilofrine as an ingredient. Forget commonly just show me one brand that has it.

He keeps bringing up how VADA doesn't have the authority to ban him, when I said he "should be banned", not he will be banned.

I clearly clarified from the start that I'm arguing on it's independent benefits. I clarified this many times, @LordSouness FINALLY understood this after an hour. From my first post, I clarified this.

 

Lmao,

Ok that came off as very childish.

But let’s skip that.

He refused to listen to the points that YOU claimed were relative to his END point and YOU( the weasel) did the exact same thing.

Yet only POOR Ellerbe (the weasel) is permitted to claim victory?? You are a freaking confused disaster dude. You don’t know if you are coming or going but you sure like to cluck loudly about yourself.

Pop goes the weasel, now get out of here ell, you just been son-ed again by the latin, lol, and right when you convinced yourself you were winning, that is like a double, lmao

 

I didn't refuse to listen to it. I clearly stated that it's irrelevant to the argument.

I don't care about victory. I just want to get to the truth. What I'm curious on is if Oxilofrine is worse than Clenbuterol INDEPENDENTLY. And if Oxilofrine is commonly found in nasal decongestants.

I don't care if I beat @LordSouness down, I just want FACTS.

 

Clenbuteral is worse because you could use it to mask steroids and other egregious performance enhancing drugs.

 

Yes you do care or you wouldn’t of gone so far out of your way to insult him dingbat.

Your points are good, you just went about making them like a confused angry and ignorant child. Get that in check the next time you post.

Like I said I am curious about whether Oxilofrine is found in the nasal crap as well.

 

Lol sure I care a little, but not to the extent of getting to the truth. The truth is what I REALLY care about when it comes down to it.

 

Clen isn't a masking agent.

In small doses neither drug actually does anything as far as I understand it.

Clenbuterol is often used in tandem with other drugs and has multiple effects. Clen is more damning but on their own they're probably about the same but I'm guessing. I know no one uses Clen on its own though. I'm not super familiar with Oxilofrine but I know it is commonly found in supplements. It's a big issue since they often don't declare it.

EDIT

Okay when I say "anything" what I actually mean is anything very significant. You shouldn't see a drastic change with Oxilofrine on its own and you would (probably, this is an assumption) see an even lesser change with Clen.

 

Then stop claiming you don’t care when that is not fully TRUE you freaking confused forum **** up.

You need to start listening and stop clucking so loudly at everyone, no wonder they threw you out of Japan.

 

Lmao I actually laughed at this.

I just want to get to the bottom of this. If it's really found commonly as a nasal decongestant and the amounts add up then BJS should be cleared. Right now we have no idea what's going on.

 

Agreed.

Right now we don’t know what’s fully going on.

 

Sorry. Without sources, don't really care about your opinion on Clen being equal to Oxilofrine.

Expert Conte > Layman

Again this subject isn't based subjective like boxing. For example on a boxing scorecard, I'm fine with a layman arguing with an "expert". but this is factual.

Bring up sources to back this up or find me an expert's opinion.


Thanks .

 

Oh so you don't actually care about the information. That's cool. I'll keep that in mind next time you ask anything.