How can Joshua lose so many rounds against middle aged man who is also midget?

troll thread. surprised at the likes and bites

 

I had it even prior to the stoppage.

Answer best given, the middle aged man ( 39 ) who has 20+ years of wear and tear from pro boxing, amateur boxing and kick boxing ) had enough skills and left over speed to land.

Joshua's defense was exposed vs. a guy who's willing to commit to punches.

If Povetkin was 4 years younger age 35 which can be past it for most fighters, I think he wins.

 

The judges didn't become a 'factor', because Povetkin knew well before the fight that the judges will not be fair towards him and will be bias towards the hometown fighter in Anthony Joshua, even if he legitimately wins rounds and legitimately deserves to be ahead on the scorecards. This is based on past fights in the UK when Joshua was given rounds that he doesn't deserve, won fights that he doesn't deserve (roberries in the 2012 Olympics) and etc.

Thus, Povetkin was forced to go for the knockout even more, and therefore was forced into using up more of his energy, which in the end, resulted in him losing his energy by the midpoint of the fight. All the while, Anthony Joshua, knowing he had the judges scoring rounds in his favor, didn't have to go for the knockout or use up as much energy as Povetkin had to. Had the judges been impartial and fair, Povetkin wouldn't have had to use up as much energy in an uneven playing field and go for the knockout as much as he did. And this is evident by how the judges had Joshua significantly ahead over Povetkin, when that was clearly undeserved.

So of courses the judges were a factor in this fight. Just because this fight didn't go the distance / to the scorecards, doesn't mean the judges weren't a factor. The judges can force one fighter to go for it even more by not giving him a chance to win on the scorecarsd (making the fight unfair against that fighter) and therefore, causing that fighter to be more prone to gassing than the fighter they are favoring in the scorecards.

And Eddie Hearn himself stated Povetkin will be HEAVILY tested for this fight. This is not 'hatred', but a matter of keeping things in perspective. If Eddie Hearn is saying it, then nobody can argue against it. And even Hearn himself can't backtrack what he initially said before the fight.

When you look at the sheer physical size difference between Povetkin and Joshua, in terms of muscle mass, muscle weight and functional body weight difference, then common sense would dictate that this was all along, as much of a mismatch, if not a bigger mismatch than Vasyl Lomachenko vs Errol Spence Jr or Vasyl Lomachenko vs Gennady Golovkin would be.

But of course, common sense seems to be lacking around these boxing forums, where a heavyweight is allowed to get away with such mismatches but in the lower weight divisions, when boxers like Lomachenko outweigh their opponents like Rigondeaux by a mere 7 pounds whilst having no where near the number of advantages Joshua had over Povetkin, people crucify such bouts as ASTRONOMICAL mismatches as if they were totally against human rights. Yet, fights like Joshua vs Povetkin are SIGNIFICANTLY worse. So where's the complaint about this fight from the same individuals?

Also, 'skill' advantages are irrelevant if you're too old to make use of your skill advantage. Povetkin is 39 years old, and his body isn't capable of performing feats that they could've a few years earlier. And Povetkin's speed is slower at age 39 than what it was a few years ago when he was still in his prime. Those things make a huge difference.

Wilder vs Ortiz isn't comparable to Joshua vs Povetkin. Wilder didin't have EVERYTHING stacked in his favor as Joshua had over Povetkin. The size difference wasn't as significant. Ortiz outweighed Wilder, which Povetkin didn't against Joshua. The reach was closer between Ortiz and Wilder. Whilst Povetkin was MASSIVELY OUT-REACHED by Joshua.

Povetkin vs Joshua was a FAR BIGGER MISMATCH than Ortiz vs Wilder was.

 

If you're going to call someone an 'idiot', you need to at least ensure your grammar is correct first. It's 'you're an idiot' and not 'your an idiot'.

Facts can't be argued against. Joshua's advantages were ASTRONOMICAL over Povetkin. Yet, for him to struggle as much as he did, is only a TESTAMENT to what kind of a fraud and a feather fist he genuinely is.

What's the matter? The criticism against Anthony Joshua is fully expected and warranted. And this has nothing to do with Deontay Wilder. The fact that you have to mention Deontay Wilder in a thread where he is irrelevant, either exposes you as the troll, or as the real 'IDIOT', or both.

What do you think would happen if Errol Spence Jr had as much difficulties in beating a 39 year old Vasyl Lomachenko (since that's one of the closest equivalence to Joshua vs Povetkin)? Errol Spence Jr would be laughed at for as long as he existed, if he had a similar level of difficulty against Lomachenko as Joshua had against Povetkin.

So pipe down your fanboy-ism over certain boxers!

 

How did a prime Mike Tyson lose a "couple rounds" to a fat, old and out of shape Larry Holmes? At the top level fighters even at an advanced age are still very competitive.

You see this across many domains, such as football (european), chess or tennis. They won't have the stamina or reflexes, but they can compensate somewhat with experience and grit.

 

Boxing is about skill. I do hope this puts things in perspective for the people that seem to think that just because modern heavyweights are taller they can't be beaten by shorter fighters of the past.

 

So many? I had it 4-2 Joshua, or 3-3. Since when is getting outworked in rounds, outboxing? I'd say the man who was landing most of the jabs was the one that was outboxing the other one.

 

Today I learned I'm not even a midget. No, I'm an idget

 

I know how to spell You're the ' is in place of the A in are. Anyhooooo, Im saying your wrong even though i know how to spell it but your, thats right, YOUR, calling Anthony Joshua feather fisted after he become the only professional to of knocked Povetkin out in his whole career. Your, thats right, YOUR, a ****ing idiot.

 

There are those that objective, those that are biased for, and those that are biased against.

You are coming across as biased against.

I’ve got no problem acknowledging that Joshua has home advantage, and will get the benefits of close round decisions. You don’t need to point out joshua’s Physical advantages, as we can see them. However, you shouldn’t downplay just what a fine boxer Povetkin is.

Also, the fault within most of your argument is that Povetkin wouldn’t have exerted himself had he thought a decision was possible. However, had he not exerted himself, he may not of taken the early rounds. Food for thought.

Also, Ortiz/Wilder is a fine example. It’s not identical, but the similarities are there.

 

I'm being totally objective!

Joshua had ALL the advantages STACKED in his favor:

Size, height, weight, reach, muscle mass, functional weight, venue / location, judges, age and etc.

What advantage did Povetkin have over Joshua? Experience? Come on! Wladimir Klitschko had even more experience but it still didn't matter. Simply because, experience becomes irrelevant if you aren't young enough to physically apply your experience. Same with skills. Povetkin's skills advantages would have been a factor if the fight happened a few years earlier when Povetkin was still in his prime. But at age 39 when he was totally shot, it wasn't at all a factor because he wasn't young enough for his body to apply those skills properly.

If Povetkin had not exerted himself, he still could have won rounds. But he probably wouldn't have stunned / busted up Joshua's nose though. At such an old age, it's impossible to fight at the high intensity which Povetkin fought at for 12 rounds. His only chance was to either quickly get a knockout (which he failed to get) and risk getting tired and lose early by fatigue (which is what happened).

Or, if the judges were fair, he should have fought at a lower intensity, conserved his energy, not force the knockout and look to win rounds by outworking / out boxing his opponent. Povetkin did not have that luxury, because of the bias judges.

Ortiz/Wilder isn't a comparable fight. A better comparison would be a 39 year old Vasyl Lomachenko with a 24 pound weight diasdvantage, vs a prime, 27 year old Errol Spence Jr. That's how much of a mismatch this bout was. It was practically impossible for Povetkin to win with such an INSANE SIZE + AGE disadvantage (along with all other disadvantages like judges). If a boxer had a size disadvantage but not an age disadvantage, then they can perhaps win.

Ortiz had a huge age disadvantage against Wilder. However, Ortiz had the weight advantage over Wilder and his reach was comparable. That wasn't the case with Povetkin against Joshua where he was disadvantaged in EVERY MEANINGFUL department.

Ortiz's style is also more suitable for an older boxer as it is less taxing. Meanwhile, Povetkin's style is ONLY suitable for a young boxer as it is one of the most physically taxing styles.

 

You're an idiot if you think it's impressive to TKO (get a standing stoppage) over a 39 year old, shot Alexander Povetkin whilst having everything stacked in his favor (judges, age, size, height, weight, reach, muscle mass, functional weight, venue / location of fight and etc.), after getting his nose busted up and after losing multiple rounds first.

Joshua became the first person to stop Povetkin? Guess what? Joshua was the first person to have ever faced a 39 year old, shot Alexander Povetkin with tons of mileage from being in multiple tough fights, from taking thousands of punches throughout his career and competing in thousands of rounds.

Nobody else ever faced such a hilariously poor and shot version of Povetkin. So it doesn't matter that Joshua became the first person to stop a 39 year old, shot version of Povetkin.

 

OP has a case of the gheyness.

 

Middle aged man who is also midget has elite skills. That's how.

 

When can we ban Luis for being a legitimate troll??