First-hand account of Marciano's diet and workout regimen (1952)

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  1. steve21

    steve21 Well-Known Member

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    I can't speak for the OP, but I agree with the concepts here ... I'm not sure how much of a difference modern training makes. When it comes to this stuff, I'm hardly a dinosaur. I'm current in the hows and whys of all the modern training principles, and apply them all from time to time. That being said, with all the science behind training nowadays, I have yet to see any boxers standing head and shoulders above their contemporaries because of it. They're still gassing in later rounds, getting arm-weary if they throw too many shots in a round, etc, etc. I guess I'd just expect that, if the conditioning is such an integral part of winning a fight, where are the results? Boxing is, and remains, it's own animal. It's not football (American and otherwise), or baseball, or T&F, or anything else ... and I think the old-school methods still carry a lot of weight. There's a thread wondering if Ali trained like today's fighters, what difference it would make. I'm not sure how much of a difference can be made. Barring the effects of aging and ring wear, did he look all that much worse than contemporary pros in the later rounds, or workrate throughout the fight?

    Sorry, veering wildly off the original post ... time to go back on the meds.

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  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Putting on mass is of course not an end in itself. But training with weights will make you put on mass. Not the body builder type of mass if you do it right, but still.
     
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  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Could it be that journalists in general visit the camp in the last 1-3 weeks before a fight? When the build-up starts heating up?

    In that case, I think that fighters who train wisely have started to turn down the intensity of the training somewhat. That peak intensity is perhaps a month or so before a fight and then the training gradually becomes less intense to decrease the risk of injuries close to the fight. Perhaps more emphasis on the tactical and technical side of things rather than the physical.
     
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  4. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed. the modern fitness movement and education seems to be an exploration but not very scientific in that it forgets the key component left out of their theories....the human spirit. Sure the results are their but the focus on the physical over the spiritual and mental is where the fault is. I just feel that life on the average was more physical during the era people had more stamina that was normal for the time they didn't mentally break as easy when the going got tough. All of us know that to have stamina is a state of mind enhanced by fitness not the other way around. Funny how long one can do something they enjoy or know they have no choice and it must get done without any train up.
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    The point of this thread was merely to further bury the hero-worshipping myth of Superman Marciano's superhuman workout and diet regimens. For years now, posters on this forum (and elsewhere) have been spreading nonsensical tall tales about Marciano only weighing 188lbs because he ran 10-15 miles a day and his trainer starved him and wouldn't let him eat bananas. These myths are favorites of Marciano worshippers because it lets them exaggerate the extent to which his work ethic and "will to win" surpassed those of other top fighters, and it lets them pretend that he was really just as big as significantly bigger men like Mike Tyson. I just want to help put an end to all that nonsense so that we don't have to deal with it every time a Marciano v. later fighter thread comes up. My hope is that it will help improve the quality of the discourse in this forum. I'm not trying to criticize his workout and diet regimens or belittle him in any way. Fair?

    And it's not at all clear to me that fighters from Marciano's era on average "clearly had better stamina than all but a few modern fighters," so I'm not ready to accept the premise of your question.
     
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  6. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    Is it not possible that he didn't show his full workout when reporters were around? Fighters are sometimes like that to make it look like their being lazy to try and trick their opponents.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Good point. It's also possible that wily Goldman tricked the reporters and had them following around a decoy Marciano lookalike while the real Marciano performed various Herculean labors...
     
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  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Marciano had more doubles than Saddam Hussein.

    It's generally agreed that Marciano's retirement caused a crash in jobs for 5'10", short-armed, 186 pound boxers, which is largely responsible for the absence of that phenotype in the modern ring. All of the promising American men who would otherwise have pursued careers as Marciano decoys are playing basketball and football instead.
     
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  9. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I certainly think people of the time were much better at strategy and I also do not think they would lay all their cards on the table for a newspaper....this is more the era of camp spies than today
     
  10. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    Why would it have to be a decoy? Its only one day.
     
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  11. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    They should take his statue down.
    Unbelievable.
     
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  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Have you been following along? Different reporters observed various days of his training for different fights and it's all fairly consistent. None of it matches the fanboy fairy tales that his biggest cheerleaders spread about him. With all due respect to Marciano's brother and hype men, it's time for us to move on.
     
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  13. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    You've posted the reports of two reporters so far in this thread. That is no where near enough to move on from.
     
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  14. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    "Rocky Marciano, training for his Oct 26. heavyweight bout with Joe Louis, got in some extra roadwork yesterday- because of a snake. Marciano encountered a deadly copperhead while walking along a mountain path near his quarters at Greenwood Lake, NY. The snake was killed by Al Columbo, his trainer. Columbo later commented "The Rock did 5 extra miles of road work - before we could catch him." Tampa Bay Times 1951

    The legend lives on!
     
  15. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    As a side note this does seem similar to what Ive read about Joe Louis's daily training schedule.