Bruno Between Louis and Marciano?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    What if Frank had been a rising contender between Louis s last title fight s ,Walcott and Charles ,and Still around at the start of Rocky's reign ?
    At some point he gets a shot at Charles or Walcott ,maybe meets a old Louis or young Rock ?
    Is Bruno successful at any level in this era ?
     
  2. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hard to see him.winning the title but would he be a contender probably. I just don't fancy his chin or stamina over any of the elite guys like Rocky, Walcott, Ezzard, Moore and even an aged Louis. Could he rack up some good wins over the likes of Cockell and maybes even Layne, LaStarza, Satterfield, Matthews etc probably but he could likely be beaten by all those as well.

    Bruno gets underrated a lot imo, had a good jab, was athletic, powerful puncher but at the same time I think going to a different time period isn't going to yield better results for him. Going fifteen in higher paced bouts with smaller gloves just doesn't seem like it would aid Bruno at all. He'd be relying on his power and size more so than he did.
     
  3. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bruno had all the Talent: he was huge and blessed with Speed and power. his jab alone gives him a shot imo.

    the Problem with Bruno was the mental game. he could get caught like deer in the Headlines early……….or break down late when the Opponent survived the onslaught.
    so Picking him to anyone Always Comes with a big Degree of uncertainty. however against rocky, charles and Walcott, his size and ability certain give him a solid Chance. his jab alone could cut rocky to pieces…….however i can see mr Bruno being star struck again and bow out early. especially against Louis who was a very intimidating Proposition.
     
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  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yep I see Frank ,at this time being a dangerous contender. He's in between legend s ,Louis going down and Rocky up.Walcott s a possible win but wouldn't put the house on it.Charles I believe beats him. Young Marciano? Could Frank pull that off .?
     
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  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Even a old Louis gives Bruno problems but interesting match IMO
     
  6. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Bruno fought for the title four times and was successfull in his last hurra! The fellows who beat him were Witherspoon, Tyson and Lewis.

    If he would win the title in the pumped up LHW era? Are you kidding me? Bruno could mix it up with the best of the best that we know today, was ahead of Lewis after he threw a blind left hook catching Bruno on the buttom, two miliseconds after nearly getting knocked out himself. Mixed it up with Tyson too. Got 38 KOs in 40 wins (95%). That fellow was an physically gifted monster, heavy handed as it can get. What could beat him was even better artillery or lots of lots of lots of grit in the later rounds (and good power).

    And you guys are asking if he could be champion in the 185-devision? With a power*chin baseline like it was back then?

    He would be an ATG-Legend today if he fought until Patterson/Liston!
     
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  7. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    If he used the training methods of the time and jogged 3 miles, then ate some blueberries, I think he'd dominate right until Ali.

    In seriousness I think he'd be a very good contender, but lose to the best like Charles, Walcott and Louis.

    He'd probably be British Champion for a good stretch too.
     
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  8. janitor

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    No in a word.

    Eventually he comes up against Wlacott, Charles, or Henry, and gets beaten.
     
  9. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Cut that crap!

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...uno-rank-among-today-s-top-10-heavies.615895/

    Would a prime Frank Bruno rank among today`s Top 10 heavies?

    The answer is: YES!

    Where would a prime Charles, Walcott or Henry rank among today`s Top 10 heavies?

    The answer is: NOWHERE!

    They MAYBE would mix it up with the Cruisers 10-25lb heavier than them.









     
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    His jab takes him far. Ezzard complained about how hard he had to work against bigger, stronger guys like Marciano. Sorry, Ezz, but Bruno is a tad bit bigger and stronger than Marciano and carries a world class jab and a thudding right hand. Old Louis gets pounded. Maybe Jersey Joe can sail toward deeper waters.
     
  11. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Bruno has a great jab, but he's never faced a fighter as good as Louis or Marciano. Tim Witherspoon beat Bruno like he owned him and Whiterspoon even at his best is no Joe Louis. Bruno also gassed out against James Smith, who is an excellent puncher, but isn't anywhere close to being the fighter Louis and Marciano were. Bruno's poor gas tank will let him down.
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    It all sounds well and good to sail towards deeper waters like it's some sort of genius plan... but the problem with these ancient midgets is the voyage towards those fathoms. Outflanking another blown up lightheavy is a bit more digestible than playing toreador with a giant who stands 6-3 with an 82" wingspan and uses that full length and height on his bludgeoning jab... and doing this in your September Years really puts the operator on a tightrope.

    A prime Louis? I would bet on him. But that one handed mummy from his last years? He's getting flattened. They don't let you swing your reputation at your opponent.
     
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  13. Fergy

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    Bruno had a delicious jab I'll say that. That alone could wreck a few plan s of Walcott ,old Joe etc .
     
  14. janitor

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    I must respectfully disagree here.

    I think that you would do better to look at what these fighters did in the real world, more than what you think they might have done in a different era.

    If Bruno wasn't getting past the belt holders of the 80s, then he probably wasn't getting past the lineal s of the 1950s.

    Lets't not forget that the lineal champion during some of Bruno's failed attempts to lift a belt, was a former light heavyweight.
     
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  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I never understood why people think their opinions back up their other opions.

    Are you going to use their respective imaginary performances against Jack Johnson as evidence too?

    Considering the likes of James Toney, Tomasz Adamek, and Chris Byrd could rank amongst modern heavyweights (and even win titles), I have no doubt that the vastly superior Ezzard Charles could. So I don't agree with that premise.
     
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