Examples of Joe Louis' chin?

He wouldn't need to.

One of them is going to be gone by round four.

 

Foreman was very easy to counter unfortunately and had very predictable footwork, which is why Ali kept landing the same combinations on him. Young also figured out Foreman early and kept beating Foreman to the punch and had no problem slipping Foreman's punches and dropping him. Louis would have no problem slipping Foreman's punches while giving him a pounding with straight rights and counter uppercuts. Louis isn't the out of shape Frazier that Foreman clobbered twice or Ken Norton, who couldn't take a punch.

 

Mauriello landed something to back Louis up in a very short fight. But how many punches did these guys really land on Louis?

 

A valid question.

Most of them not very many, because he got them out of there quickly.

There are however examples of fights where he took a lot of punches into the late rounds.

The first Schmeling fight is the obvious example, and there is also the first Simon fight.

I think that he did carry his chin late.

 

Right, not many of them landed.

Simon landed much? Not form what I saw. He was a durable goon like fighter, who was actually quite intelligent out of the ring.

 

You can't really damn him both ways here.

If not many of them were landing, then he was obviously very difficult to hit, and this has to be factored into hypothetical fights.

 

Whoever he was it sounds as though this Joe Louis was a **** fighter.

 

As the saying goes. "It's not how many times you get knocked down that count, it's how many times you get back up."

 

What do you mean? We agree few outside of those names outside of Schmeling landed. The best boxers Louis fought found him easy to hit. Joe Walcott said too easy.

Yes I can have it both ways, a good chin is separate from defense. . Braddock, Galento, and B Baer hardly landed much, yet they floored him. Reasons, not the best chin in the world and an open defense.

 

You can't have it both ways, because the results have to be explained.

Louis fought more elite heavyweights than any champion in history, and he was stopped twice, and there was nearly a decade and a half between the two events.

Either Louis had a good chin, or he was very hard to hit.

 

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Getting knocked down isn't a crime, but when you're being hurt by men in the 160lb region and repeatedly rocked and dropped by men who wouldn't be considered punchers in a more modern era then it certainly raises questions. Yes, Louis got up to take the guy apart more often than not, but that attests more to his great conditioning and will to win than it does his ability to take a punch.

He certainly wouldn't have lasted against Foreman in Zaire. In fact I think he would have been badly brutalised.

 

If his chin was pretty good then so was Wlad's, for more or less the same reasons you give above.

My own view is that Louis had enough of a chin not to get knocked out by the fighters of his day and impose his own offensive arsenal on them. Trouble was, those fighters weren't hugely dangerous punchers by historic standards and either didn't have the raw power or the skill to capitalise on any success they might have had in hurting him.

However, that doesn't mean later fighters wouldn't have had success either, especially those that combined a level of ringcraft with monstrous raw power, a la Foreman. I think Louis would crumple up like burnt paper the moment Foreman starts unloading on him, and I don't expect the fight to go more than a few rounds.

 

I think Joe's stock has really plummeted on here lately. Not in my book though. Foreman's punches are too wide. Joe steps in and rips George with combos until he stops him. George isnt good enough to beat Louis.