How does Joshua hope to win rounds against Usyk, if he struggled against Povetkin?

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  1. BigStiffIdiot

    BigStiffIdiot Safer than Adam Smith's laptop password. Full Member

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    People think it is really cool to hate Joshua don't they?
     
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  2. BoxingABC1

    BoxingABC1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    With Eddie Hearn's manilla envelopes, he can win as many rounds as his team choose
     
  3. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know who's going to win, but Usik vs AJ will be bigger then Holyfield vs Tyson.
     
  4. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Not sure I'd say the 35 year old Povetkin was necessarily still prime. His prime in my opinion was more along the timeframe of Rahman, Chagaev, Huck etc. And again, how fighter A does against fighter B, has no bearing on fighter C. Takam is more shopworn now then he was back then. The Takam that Povetkin fought wouldn't have lost to Chisora. Styles make fights. You act like Usyk, is some unstoppable machine.
     
  5. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Povetkin beats Usyk right now imo. Povetkin of 4 years ago defo beats him.
     
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  6. Tyistall

    Tyistall Member banned Full Member

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    Stupid thread. Usyk is an excellent boxer who cleaned out the Cruiserweight division. Props to him. But Heavyweight is another thing all together. Plus Usyk wasn't KOing everyone at Cruiserweight so how will he somehow stream roll the Heavyweights who are bigger, taller and stronger than he is?
     
  7. LeftRightDownThePipe

    LeftRightDownThePipe Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Lol Based off what?? What common opponent do they have to come to the conclusion that makes you say Povetkin beats him?? Marco Huck? Lol

    Usyk took bombs from Gassiev and Briedis who both hit as hard as today’s Povetkin who lost some snap in his shots being 39 and battle worn.

    “As soon as Joshua lands IT’S OVER DOE!” Lol :D Based off what evidence?
     
  8. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Usyk has nowhere near the tnt of Joshua and you know it. That's why he loses vs Povetkin who would outbox and out work him.
     
  9. anders100

    anders100 Active Member Full Member

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    The hatred towards Joshua.. :loel:

    He did beat Parker with ease and he did beat Povetkin by knockout - neither really competitive.

    Usyk on the other hand struggled with Briedis, went the distance and barely won on points.

    I don't think Usyks defense holds up for 12 rounds with Joshua. Joshua by KO.
     
  10. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, styles do make fights! And if you claim the Povetkin that fought Chagaev was in his prime, then that significantly decreases Povetkin's chances of beating Oleksandr Usyk.

    Stylistically, Oleksandr Usyk is also a southpaw. But, he can do EVERYTHING better than Chagaev. Yet, Povetkin went life and death against Chagaev. So logically speaking, he'd struggle even more against Usyk. Meaning, he will be the clear underdog against Usyk.

    When two boxers are of a similar style (boxer A and boxer C), but one of those boxers (boxer C) happens to be superior in terms of skills and quality than the other boxer that uses the same style (boxer A), then how boxer B (Povetkin) performs against boxer A (Chagaev), has plenty of bearing on how they'd perform against boxer C (Usyk).

    Usyk isn't an unstoppable monster! But you don't have to be one, to defeat a shot Povetkin today and a bunch of other hype-jobs with limited skills today in the heavyweight division.
     
  11. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And I am an artificial intelligent system from the year 3018. In other words, nobody cares what you claim to be online and what you claim to be online, is totally irrelevant.

    If Anthony Joshua beats prime Oleksandr Usyk (before Usyk reaches his late 30's), and beats him legitimately (so without any premature stoppages or without any robberies via decision or without any illegal punches / moves), then I'll give Joshua more credit for beating Usyk, than any other opponent he has beaten till date.





    The fact that you feel the need to write paragraphs upon paragraphs about another random online user, whilst seemingly losing sleep over it, whilst also seemingly being obsessed with that user, whilst taking that random online user's words on a random online site that seriously over something as insignificant as boxing, and being that afraid of that user's thoughts about boxing, so much so, that you want that user to be banned as a result, just speaks volumes, and I mean utter volumes about yourself as an individual and how lacking your quality of living is.

    I really don't care who you are or what you are. All that matters to me in this site are the topics I discuss. And unlike you perhaps, I've got a life outside of online forums and even outside the sport of boxing. And an enjoyable life at that. And in the grand scheme of things, online forums and even the sport of boxing in general, are totally insignificant. Thus, I'm not as obsessed as you are in regards to the thoughts of other individuals, in relation to the sport of boxing. I don't go around claiming that other user need to be banned doe doe doe because they have a differing viewpoint I disagree with. That's what makes you appear utterly pathetic! Since what happens in this forum, doesn't at all affect me as I have an enjoyable life outside of it. Something you may be lacking, which is causing you to react in all kinds of funny ways.

    BTW, this is not my thread or my 'thread title'. At least clear up basic misconceptions before beginning your long, nonsensical and waffling rant.

    'Midget's is relative term. When you see Povetkin sparring with guys who are all at least 4 inches taller than him. Then yes, relative to those guys who are 6 foot 6 or 6 foot 6 plus, Povetkin is a midget.

    It doesn't matter how fresh an old boxer looks or how decorated they are at such an old age. I challenged you in another thread, and I challenge you again. Find me just one example of a heavyweight who was at least as old as Povetkin, whilst facing as many disadvantages as Povetkin faced against Joshua, beating an opponent at the caliber of Anthony Joshua. Hint: You'll never find any example, because such a thing never happened before. And for a reason.

    Povetkin was shorter, lighter, less muscular, had a shorter reach, was significantly older, was past his prime whilst Joshua was in his prime, was fighting in Joshua's home town and so forth so on. I could continue with the disadvantages, but the list goes on and on.

    With that many disadvantages, Povetkin literally had no chance at beating Joshua. The fact that he even won as many rounds and inflicted as much damage on Joshua, is just a testament to how appalling Joshua is as a boxer. Considering, with that many advantages, Joshua should have not only won, but won more impressively and easily.

    The fact that Povetkin looked fast early on during their fight, is irrelevant. Considering at such an age, boxers can't sustain their energy and intensity level for the entire fight. And boxing bouts aren't decided by how you look in the first round, but how you perform for the entire fight.

    How often do you see athletes winning gold medals, or any medals for that matter, at age 39, in sports like boxing or in the sport of boxing itself? Rarely, if ever! Wanna know why? Because it's an age that is scientifically proven to have athletes having their reaction times, endurance, recovering abilities and durability declined. Science proves this and history as proven this, time after time.

    It doesn't matter how good someone was in their prime. Once they are in their late 30's, especially age 39 and plus, they no longer should be seen as an elite athlete in that sport anymore. And if they are, then that means that sport has to be seriously weak in level of competition.

    Grandmasters in fictional martial arts are irrelevant. Let us compare actual real life athletes to real life athletes.

    Povetkin's experiences are irrelevant, if his body isn't capable of performing at the level required to make use of that experience. Povetkin has taken, more than thousands of punches / strikes than Anthony Joshua throughout his decorated amateur boxing + kickboxing + professional boxing career. meaning, his durability right now, would be nowhere near as good as it was before. Thus, Joshua has an enormous advantage in the durability department. Every punch Joshua lands, is going to effect Povetkin more than vice versa. No amount of experience can compensate for that. Furthermore, no amount of experience can compensate for his lower endurance levels and recovering abilities at such an old age. Youth > experience in competitive sports like boxing and this has been proven time after time. Irrespective of what happens in some fictional martial arts. Real life competitive sports suggests otherwise.
     
  12. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I asked you where is the headbut footage? And you wrote 2000 words... without answering the question. You low-life liar.

    And what did I claim to be online? I dont see in my words above where I claimed to be something? You are delusional.

    Saying im obsessed about you and that I write endlessly? Don't flatter yourself - you replied to my comment one month later... so who is losing sleep now loser?

    ... and you also replied with 2000 words of nonsense and you call me obsessed haha you are a contradiction.

    TBH Luis I forget who you are until you reply and I see your username.

    You wrote so much crap I stopped reading after 50/2000 words.
     
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  13. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Where is the headbutt footage people? Luis failed to produce...
     
  14. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Luis sure knows how to get himself into debates lol.
     
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  15. Oreet Cha!

    Oreet Cha! I know what I like and I like what I know. Full Member

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    Joshua is too big, too powerful, too strong.

    KO between R4 and R7 in favour of AJ.