Report: Duran in great shape the week before Leonard-Duran II

This is just laughable man. Come on you can be more honest with yourself than this. This is so over the top its plain fantasy at this point

 

I am 100 percent honest with myself on this and people who have heard me on here know I am. I don't think it is laughable or over the top at all in anything I say. Ray was beating up Duran in round 8 and you say what I say is laughable because of what? Duran quitting was not over the top -and why did he quit? Because he was humiliated? Because he waved Ray away at the end of round 7? Did you notice how Ray was starting to land his punches in round 8 and Duran quit only then. Yes I think Ray could have stopped Duran in the later rounds had he fought that way in the first fight. Even the rematch Duran would do ok when Ray stopped and fought, but then Ray would counter and move out. The fights are proof.

 

I completely disagree I see Duran as the variable. Leonard couldn't change tactics because Duran wouldn't let him

 

For what it's worth, in the recent movie about Duran, Ray Arcel, played by Robert DiNiro, is very concerned about Durans condition pre-SRLII because Duran had been partying like a Roman in between fights. Leonard knew it and that's why he called for an immediate rematch.

AGAIN ....that was in a movie .

 

Duran had two times to impose his will on Ray after that and he failed, and Ray fought his fight and he could have won that first one.. He went 15 fighting his fight. Duran is a situation where people selectively pick and choose his excuses and reasonings so he looks better, but the fights speak for themselves. He was a great fighter, but in my mind not top 10 ATG. Which is the thinking I have heard. Ray would have to be top 10 ATG on his wins, but his career is rather short. That two titles in one night tainted his legacy a little.

 

Are you honestly forgetting to remember Durans peak was at LW? He was already on the downside by the first Leonard fight and still beat the BIGGER YOUNGER STRONGER MAN IN HIS OWN WEIGHT CLASS. Adleast give the man credit where its dew.

 

We are not talking about his lightweight reign here, and the fact is many fighters moved up and fought years out of their starting weight. Hearns fought more fights out of welterweight 34 after Leonard one than at welterweight or before the Leonard fight 33. Duran did not fight many greats at lightweight, but it established his greatness and the dominance there. I do not think moving up 12 pounds at that time and the struggles he had meant he lost much strength. He was a bigger man naturally than anyone will ever admit to. You don't tangle with Barkley on the inside and say a man is weak at that weight. I don't think Duran was much on the downside in 1980 at just turning 29..

 

He turned pro in 1968 and was on his 73rd fight when he fought Leonard. So turning 29 is irrelevant he was on the downside and AGAIN he had a small frame not a 6'2 frame like Hearns so stop comparing the 2 already. He was the smallest and the oldest of the fab 4 yet hes considered the greatest of the 4 by most boxing pundits. And yes what an amazing testament to Duran that a 37 yr old natural LW beat a prime Barkley who probably weighed 175 that night.
You dont think 12 lbs is alot well alot less than that did in Zarate when he moved up to fight Gomez for one example and Zarate was young and had the body to carry the weight.
Your just not making any sense to me man. You come off like one of these politicians on TV looking to smear someone because you dont like them.
I'm done with this now. I'm bored with this already.

 

I thought Duran turned professional in 1967, but you might be right. If you are bored by all means move on. I try to answer everything people quote to me, but it isn't like I have not answered all this stuff before. I think I give a good account of myself, but it would seem like the same points over and over, how many ways can I say it. And I don't think he is greater than Leonard, and I think Hearns has greater wins in many ways yet Tommy really messed up in his two biggest fights which hurts his legacy and fighting dumb against Hagler. I see his Duran's greatness, but he was a bit of a front runner in how he won..Losing to Hearns or Benitez is no insult, but why excuse them. Not many guys could beat those guys and he didn't come close. Beating guys he was better than a little with great style matchup,, I guess most fighters are that way and that is great. Leonard was the one of the fab 4 who beat different styles and was the most versatile. About Duran When he had a challenge whether the weight was an excuse or not training or whatever, he didn't win usually against the tops-elites. Some guys can carry weight some cannot. Chacon could not, but Duran could. Alexis sort of could, and I would have loved to have seen that fight even thought Alexis was always behind Duran a little in weights so Alexis would have been smaller but that right hand would have landed. Duran was much bigger than Alexis. I don't think beating Barkley was that great considering his greatest win is against Hearns, but he lost to all the other guys like Nunn, Kalambay,Benn,, even knocked down by Olajide. Hearns was 6'1" also, I don't think he was 6'2", but if so who knows. It matters who you ask, but usually 6'1 1/2" I think Hearns beating Hill who was undefeated and had 10 title defenses is much the bigger accomplishment than Barkley at 160, but if people think it is better than Hearns beat Hill that is fine. The fact is Benitez and Hearns beat Duran easily at 154.. I can go on and on..

 

How about using paragraphs Pernell.

Your lengthy missives that endlessly repeat the same points while at the same time ignoring anything anyone types that doesn’t suit your narrative have now consigned you to the ignore sin bin.

I have no problem at all with anyone disagreeing with my views but being browbeaten with the same points over and over again gets pretty dull.

The thread has nothing at all to do with whether or not Duran is a p4p top ten fighter yet you have spent pages typing about it.

Cheers.

 

You did not quote me, so I didn't know if you wanted a response.
Sure you can ignore me. I hope you do. To be honest it also bores me that you guys keep making the same threads about Duran with the same excuses over and over again and yet in this case many of you guys make the same points as the other without much originality and yet you want me to say different things as through my points will change or that I have to be original in my presentation. There is no way can I ignore those threads because they are not fair to Leonard or anyone who beat Duran. The excuses are ridiculous. and my points are valid and unchangeable. Leonard knows he was the variable. I can repeat what I have said many times and you guys probably know what I will say If you guys keep answering me and responding I will keep making the same points. I respond to the threads about Duran, and he does get credit for things he should not and excuses for things he should not. And it is not about Duran. If someone says GGG is old and has an excuse for losing to Canelo, I don't accept that either. I don't like excuses by any fighter. If you don't like my lack of paragraphs just move to the next post by someone else. You don't like what I say anyway, I doubt if I use paragraphs it would make the difference.

 

But, but, but did you know Duran fought at 154 before Hearns or Leonard?!?!?!!??! He was obviously bigger naturally than either of them. Archie Moore fought at heavyweight before Anthony Joshua too so it's pretty safe to say Archie was naturally bigger than Joshua.