Report: Duran in great shape the week before Leonard-Duran II

right on the money. Duran fans want to excuse everytime he lost. Had he beaten the legends Hearns and Benitez, but lost to Barkley and Moore, then the excuses would have been more believable that he lost to Barkley and Moore because he didn't train or ate a steak or needed pepto bismol. But the appearance is he had a ceiling where he could beat guys like Barkley and Moore, but not that higher level Hearns and Benitez, which is the case.

 

Clownshoes? That is funny. I didn't say Duran was smaller, I said he was at 154 before Hearns,Benitez and Leonard were there. The excuse that he was this small little lightweight fighting these bigger legends is nonsense and ridiculous. and that proves that. The issue is how you move and you move up? So he somehow has different standards to follow than all the other greats? He has excuses for losses because he didn't train but other fighters don't get that consideration. Why is that? And you will tell me because he is Roberto Duran and he had this great lightweight competition beating legends at lightweight, so naturally he would have beaten Hearns,Benitez or Leonard had he been in shape or not drank a gallon or two of water? This is why the argument is so ridiculous. He gets excuses for his losses when there should not be. And he didn't lose because he was out of shape with Leonard 2,Hearns or Benitez. He lost because of speed.

 

So Pacman would have to be seen as greater for having a smarter sequence than Duran or having more discipline in addition to his resume and lack of excuses? I have not heard many excuses for Manny. He fought and won and backed up his legacy even when moving up. Especially when moving up. So you do believe that had Duran had more discipline he would beat Hearns,Benitez and Leonard 2? Then what is the argument people make that he is too small for them? Which is why I mention 154 and 1978. He didn't go to 154 in 1978, Hearns was at 160 in 1981 with Singletary, but he still was at 160. The point I am making and which is significant is Duran fought at the weight limit of 154 as early as 1978. That is where he decided to fight that early and not at 147 that night. Just because it was not a title fight does not mean he did not fight there.

 

"when in training..... Possibly the best ever

 

That is interesting. It is true in the neck. Duran had a bigger neck,forearm and waist-equal chest and later weighed probably as high as 250 in retirement. Although weighing 250 later is not too big a deal. Hamed looks like he weighs over 200 now. but Duran was not that this little lightweight.

 

Too bad the thinking is he didn't train whenever he fought a legendary fighter and an excuse came up. My question to him would be, why didn't you train when you had the biggest challenges.

 

You never know by that tale of the tape, but I think Duran had thicker legs than Leonard. The tough thing to determine is how did Duran make weight at 135. Did he drain 10 pounds and re-hydrate, or did he walk around close to 135? He eventually moved up, likely because he was just too big for 135. 147 was not too much for Duran.

Duran's other problem was swarming attacker type, but really not a puncher, and as he moved out of light weight, things became more difficult for him.

 

You literally didn't address ANYTHING I said in my post and regurgitated the same nonsense you said before. No response needed.

 

I don't care who you view as greater between Pac and Roberto... You commented that see Pac moved up and it was okay... Hearns moved up and it was okay... When I mentioned that Pac NEVER took a non title fight at 147, let alone 154 when he was a FW or LW champ. NOT ONCE. Hearns didn't take a 160 fight when he was WW Champ. Yet Duran a 154 fight when he was LW CHAMP. This shows that he wasn't fighting there because it was his natural progression as he got older. He took the fight simply to take a fight and try and work his way down to 135. Not because he was thinking about campaigning there. That is the issue you can't seem to wrap your head around and where the clownshoes comes from. So tell me, what fights did Pac or Hearns take two or three divisions north of where they held a title? Name me these fights. They don't exist because they gradually moved through the ranks. Duran fought at 154 because he was OUT OF SHAPE and needed to take a fight to take a fight to work his way BACK DOWN TO 135. What part of this makes no sense? I'm sure I'll get a response back answering no questions and talking about how Duran fought at 154 before Hearns and Wilfred LOL, hence the clownshoes.

 

Wasn't he always involved in SRL's early career fights?

 

Was a 5 month gap that unusual between fights for Duran?

 

It's not a bandwagon. The fact is this tripe makes you look more than a little unhinged on the topic of Duran to what would surely be close to 100% of boxing fans.