Examples of Joe Louis' chin?

You have been comprehensively humiliated here for which,[ though I have enjoyed it,] I can take little credit because you are so easy to expose and blow out of the water.
I watch on average about 2 fights a week.Either from my collection , recorded from the 2 channels I subscribe to, or You Tube highlights
What men over 200lbs did Conn stop?lol
What men over 200lbs did Dempsey,Marciano,Jeffries,Sullivan,Langford,Johansson, Liston stop?
You poor, benighted imbecile!

I would cut my throat before I became on first name terms with you.

 

Ahhhhhh 10+years on this forum and I still enjoy Mcvey beating up on Mendoza. Cheers

 

Me too!

 

Joe Louis' Chin

Top Shelf - No
Very Good - No
Decent enough to get the job done - Yes

 

Here I must strongly disagree with you.

A good chin is one that does not lose you fights.

If people are able to wobble you or drop you, but are not able to put you away, then they are not able to capitalize on your chin in a practical sense.

I am also not a big fan of gauging a fighters chin by the number of times they got up off the canvas, because it effectively rewards the man who stays on the canvas.

No, because there is nothing much to build a case against it with.

I would say that the stylistic dynamic strongly favors Louis here.

Foreman's main vulnerability was to a counter puncher (see the Lyle fight), and Louis was the best in the history of the division.

Frankly if I was managing Louis, and the two best heavyweights around were Foreman and Tunney, I would probably take the Foreman fight and steer him clear of Tunney!

In my opinion, these are the wrong attributes for dealing with Louis.

The more a fighter tried to impose them self upon him, the more he used it against them.

 

Good post .On Rocky, how many big punchers did he face?

 

I think that there is a legitimate issue that we never saw him in with somebody like Baer, Williams, Liston, or Lyle.

Having said that I think that big limited punchers are over rated as chin checkers, and that guys like Walcott punch above their power, by hitting the sweet spot unexpectedly.

 

Walcott was a pin point puncher ,he starched Charles with one lazer like left hook.

I don't see anything limited about Liston he was a good boxer and an alltime great puncher.

 

I wasn't saying that Liston was limited, I picked those guys because the people on the receiving end gave them glowing testimonials.

I would expect Marciano's chin to hold up against somebody who didn't have much apart from power.

 

I'd expect Liston to ko Rocky inside 8rds,Id give both Lyle and Williams live chances too,both could box.I do however broadly agree with your point in so far as Baer would be up against it with Rocky.

 

To go into this further, would risk mission creep.

 

Yes I'm going to bed. Night J.

 

Larry Holmes was badly hurt and dropped by guys like Snipes, Witherspoon, Weaver, Isaac and others when one digs deep enough. Regardless of this his durability was excellent and considered so. He always recuperated and came back to win. These guys weren't Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Sonny Liston or Mike Tyson either. The main thing is being able to get past it and win. Holmes and Louis both did this extremely well. There are loads of ATG's who were hurt and dropped (often against guys that might surprise) and Joe Louis and Holmes are just two of them. This doesn't mean their durability is poor or suspect for mine.

I think Wlad's chin might be a teeny bit better than prevailing opinion but it is still pretty ordinary. He was stopped three times in his physical prime you could probably say and unlike Louis, who could clear his head and come back quickly and often violently Wlad often floundered for long periods or was stopped.

i think it's bulletproof to say Wlad is one guy who did refine his style under Steward to the point where he was seldom caught with anything substantial against the guys he fought. Unlike Louis he often had huge physical advantages and his second phase career was completely dedicated to taking 100% advantage of these in a safety first approach.

Louis by contrast was an aggressive stalker who backed his own incredible offense to trump his opponents. He was perfectly content to get in the pocket and place himself in harms way.

So via the above summation i'd still call Wlad's chin ordinary at best. It's hard to extrapolate how it would go in Louis era because in his second phase a lot of these guys wouldn't land anything big anyways. Guys like Baer are a danger to any chin if they land clean. Louis' skill set and strengths in Wlads era would also be a good chance of bailing him out if he got in trouble.

 

You are a sad old man, with limited reason and recall. Your cancerous attitude defines your best here. And on top of that a dishonorable bet welcher, and a known liar. Lots of people see that and humiliate you. You spend half of your time here with posters who you call idiots. What does that tell you?

As usual, when you get trounced in a thread, you go off on tangents shifting the topic, as if that will save it. It doesn't. Quite the opposite. I'd challenge you to a battle of wits Mr. 137 IQ, but I can see you are clearly unarmed.

Now if you want to debate Louis durability, I already laid out a case with examples backed up by a film that buries you. I know I have you when you can not reply back with boxing, and try to make things personal.

Checkmate again.

 

The bet you and I had was that the Fitzsimmons vRuhlin fight was filmed.I said it WASN'T you said it WAS .
Ted Spoon whom you quoted as saying agreed with you,[he didn't I talked to him via pm] , Klompton,Gilbert Odd, and Adam Pollack all confirmed it was NOT filmed.The Welcher was YOU .
You have no honour, no principles ,and no courage.
You are just a piece of human sewage.