Canelo once again is daring to be great . what a fighter !

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  1. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Well it's not at all.

    Would you be happy with Canelo having to fight say Khan at 148 in defence of his 154 title?
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You seem to convieniently forget that Canelo won the MW title at 155. Cotto had been defending that title at catchweights. He would only fight Canelo at 155.

    Canelo simply defended the title he won at the same weight he won it at, and he didn't drain any body in the process (like Cotto did) Khan was coming up in weight so 155 made sense for that fight, and benefitted Khan. How can you be critical of Canelo for fighting Khan at 155, the same weight he won it at? What Cotto did was worse which was actually drain full fledged Middleweights at a catchweight.
     
  3. IsaL

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    It was Khan who demanded 155 for his fight with Canelo.

    But again, its irrelevant because they ended up fighting at 160 regardless.

    How do you feel about GGGs petition to fight Ward at 164?
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You don't know that . Sounds to me like you want to believe that because you dislike Canelo.
     
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  5. Odins beard

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    I can be critical as he tried to get the then number 1 middleweight to unify the 160 belts at 155.

    The fact Cotto was doing it does not mean it is correct to follow on the same path, also let's not pretend that Cotto started the 155 trend, 2 out of Canelo's last 3 fights prior to Cotto were at 155.

    155 is not 160.....160 is 160.
     
  6. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    The question is why would Canelo leave the middleweight division so early. Maybe because he doesn't want any part of Charlo, Andrade, Saunders or Derevyanchenko so he rather moves up to a much weaker division to fight nobodies like Fielding?
     
  7. IsaL

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    Let me correct you on your first point. Canelo challeneged GGG to a non-title fight at 155, NOT for all the titles. He specifically said "lets put the belts aside..."

    How do you feel about GGG wanting Ward at 164?
     
  8. Odins beard

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    They both weighed in at 155, not at 160, that's a lie and it is relevant that he chose to defend the 160 title at 155.

    As for Ward v GGG at 164, that was never going to happen and although I'm not a fan of catch weight fights it was the middle ground of both fighters weights and it has been done numerous times before, plus Ward did say he's go to 160 for Floyd Joy Sinclair.

    But again id be against it.
     
  9. IsaL

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    Has Canelo vacated? Has he said he was vacating? I haven't heard anything yet so I'm not jumping to conclusions.

    I know he has a voluntary, and if he wants to use it to test the waters at SMW, so be it. I can't hate on that, especially when he could easily have used his voluntary to fight a Monroe or Wade type fighter.
     
  10. Odins beard

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    So he wanted to drain GGG to Caneloweight?

    I'm glad you admit it.
     
  11. IsaL

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    Cotto demanded 155
    Khan demanded 155

    How is this Canelo's fault?

    Canelo "challenged" and called GGGs bluff for a "non-title fight" at 155.

    Where is the crime in this?
     
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  12. IsaL

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    You can look at it that way if you wish.

    Personally I like to use proper context. The WBC attempted to dictate the terms of the fight, so as we know Canelo vacated but was still trying to fight GGG on his terms.
     
  13. shadow111

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    I hear this a lot, even some Canelo fans seem to concede that this happened, but I personally don't have any proof that Canelo ever tried to get GGG to agree to a catchweight. Now the weight may have been discussed in an early negotiation as a negotiation tactic, but I think that is being assumed that Canelo really pushed a 155 fight with GGG.

    Those were non-title fights. And lets remember it was Floyd Mayweather who started the "catchweight" trend by forcing Canelo to agree to a 152 catchweight to make that fight at Jr Middleweight. After that fight, Canelo wanted to rematch Floyd but Floyd refused the rematch. He fought at 155 (prior to fighting Cotto) because there was no title to fight for. It was not his demand to fight at catchweights. In his title fights, it was his opponents who required catchweights to fight him, not the other way around.
     
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  14. deyell

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    Fielding is on Monroe's level except he is bigger. And Golovkin didn't choose Monroe or Wade they were mandatories. However Alvarez chose overmatched opponents like Amir Khan, Liam Smith, drained to a zombie Chavez and now Fielding.
     
  15. Odins beard

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    155 is not and never has been a division or fighting weight in the way Canelo played it.
     
  16. shadow111

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    What do you mean "the way Canelo played it". Cotto and Khan demanded the 155 catchweights. It was not Canelo's demand.