Y'all must've forgot about the 118lb Monster in the room...Naoya Inoue knocking on the p4p door.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, May 3, 2018.


2-part question: would dominant victory over JMD put Inoue A) #1 @ bantam, and B) top 15 p4p?

Poll closed May 25, 2018.
  1. A) No, he would still need to face Zolani Tete. (WBO champ)

    17.1%
  2. A) No, he would still need to face Ryan Burnett. (WBA super champ)

    11.4%
  3. A) No, he would still need to face the Paul Butler vs. Emmanuel Rodríguez winner. (IBF champ)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. A) No, he would still need to face two names or more from above or someone not listed.

    11.4%
  5. A) No, he would be more than a couple of wins from being the man at bantamweight.

    5.7%
  6. A) Yes, he'd automatically be the man at bantamweight following his debut in the weight class.

    17.1%
  7. B) No, he would still be outside the p4p top 15.

    5.7%
  8. B) Yes, he would be in the 11-15 range.

    11.4%
  9. B) Yes, he would be in the 6-10 range.

    40.0%
  10. B) Yes, he would be top 5 p4p.

    22.9%
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  1. Kaan

    Kaan Member Full Member

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    What the **** did i just read?
     
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  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Uh, hello, Earth to tinman, it's all relative to the size of the opponent. That's why weight classes exist. You can't just arbitrarily say that from featherweight up is valid but that lower weights aren't.

    Zuri Lawrence KO1 JMM, if you want to go down that (extremely dumb) branch of logic.

    Just view everything in proportion like a normal person. It doesn't even take a lot of brain power to do. I think maybe you're just dead set on bashing the lighter weights because they're sort of a casual fans' no man land and that makes people like you insecure about your lack of knowledge of the overall sport? :nusenuse: Am I close?
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    You read it properly. p4p is a shaky concept anyways. But to rate guys under 120 pounds as p4p when you have other fighters in higher weight classes who make 1 mistake and it's goodnight is flawed.

    Not to mention the talent pool for such a fighter is small and basically limited to short and skinny Asians and Latinos.
     
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  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I know it's relative to the size of the opponent and therefore we have weight classes for a reason. The reason I draw the line at Featherweight is because once you reach that weight class you start to encounter fighters that have enough pop to seriously damage you with a single shot. It changes the dynamic of a fight completely. Inoue is rare because he has huge power at a very low weight. But watch him come up to Featherweight or even SFW and take one from a big puncher in that weight class. He might think twice about walking right in.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I see what's going on here...

    You're a Bivol superfan (as am I - but also a lifelong otaku and general nippophile) and Bivol is half-Korean, and Japan oppressed Korea from the 1910 annexation treaty until WWII...so you are by proxy anti-Japanese anything.

    That is ****ing it, ENOUGH of these painfully transparent obvious agendas already!!! :mad:
     
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  6. Boxingfan200

    Boxingfan200 USYK #1 P4P banned Full Member

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    :risas3:
     
  7. yesihavearm2

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    He's KO'd two top ranked guys in the first round each. Julian Jackson level power.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    A powerful minimumweight can seriously damage any human adult with a single punch just as much as can a powerful featherweight, or a powerful super middleweight. Granted the probability dips the further down the scale you go that even an elite fighter can one-punch-kayo the average person weighing double what they do, but it never reaches zero...and the disparity between straw and feather (if we are talking elites who are big p4p hitters proportionately within their division) isn't as big as you're making out.
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Is that all someone has to do to eclipse the man who many feel is pound for pound the hardest singular hitter in boxing history...? :lol:

    Easy come, easy go with some of you.
     
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  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you're suggesting that the power difference between a Strawweight and Featherweight isn't enormous then I disagree.

    There is a lot more money in the Featherweight division. If any 105 pounder wants to make money he will do his best to get to 126. But the stay in the low weights so they don't get crunched.

    Likewise if any LW wants to make money he will do his best to get to WW.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Not a great deal more enormous than is the gap between featherweight and welter (another 21lb jump), if we're talking straight up power (for some ungodly reason) - and not looking at boxing, with its weight-divided infrastructure, through a p4p lens, as we ought to.
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well I would also say that WW champs are usually p4p better fighters than Featherweight champs. And 126 champs are usually ridiculously better than 105 champs.

    Exceptions exist. Some eras are particularly strong in a certain weight class. But as a general rule 147 has better fighters than 126 and especially 105.
     
  13. Mynydd

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    What's with this fetishisation of "KO power"? Boxing isn't a "who can knock people out the most efficiently" contest. I don't know, but as a very rough guess I'd say maybe 40% of bouts end in a knockout. That doesn't make the other 60% (or whatever) a waste of time. What the lower weights lack in cartilage-rearranging knockouts they make up for in the speed and grace of the fighters. Most sensible fans adore watching Lomachenko, but he's not a KO artist, he's merely one of the geniuses of his generation. By your logic Wilder is the all-time P4P king.
     
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  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Are you conflating "better" with "more likely to score a knockout"? (and further conflating "bouts in bottom-range-of-the-scale divisions being less stasticially likely to result in kayos" with "guys in that division can't or generally don't have proportionate KO power"?)

    Because in that case you need to untangle all those snarls in your mind before anyone can take your opinion regarding this sport even a tiny bit seriously.
     
  15. dangerousity

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    Point taken, but I've seen FW's beat around LHWs in sparring. There's obviously levels to this, a seasoned LHW isn't getting beat around by a FW but to put it into perspective, a 22 fight SMW amateur was running around the ring trying to survive from the body shots of a national level 126lb amateur. So Inoue would definitely ktfo your average FW, WW or even HW man, but as he goes up in levels in terms of experience, skills and chin, the chances of that drops massively.

    That said, we saw Pac ktfo guys from flyweight to WW, sometimes the power is just there and watching Inoue's 1-2, very reminiscent of Pac's 1-2 and the damage it caused in the BW division.

    Pac-Inoue at 122 would have been nasty.