Could Joe Louis make it through the following undefeated

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Trevor Berbick
    Bonecrusher Smith
    Tony Tucker
    Pinklon Thomas
    1988 Larry Holmes
    Tony Tubbs
    Michael Spinks
    Frank Bruno
    Carl Williams
    Buster Douglas
    Alex Stewart
    Henry Tilman
    Razor Ruddock
    Peter McNeely
    Buster Mathis, Jr
    1996 Evander Holyfield
    Frans Botha
    Orlin Norris
    Julius Francis
    Lou Savarese
    Andrew Golota
    Brian Nielsen
    2002 Lennox Lewis
    Clifford Etienne
    Danny Williams
    Kevin McBride
     
  2. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is very similar to a thread that was made recently.

    He'd be favourite in all those match ups except possibly Lewis 02 but fighting them all one after the other he'd likely lose more than once and win rematches.
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I think it's the same one I just made some corrections
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    The main threats here are Ruddock, Tucker, Spinks, Lewis and Hoyfield, I feel he beats the rest.
     
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  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Most of them yes.

    All of them might be too much to ask.

    If you can say which year he fights each of them, then I can give a better answer.
     
  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Well we can start from 1935 when Louis beat Max Baer
     
  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    What about Thomas?
     
  8. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m pretty sure there’s no fighter ever makes it through unscaved.
     
  9. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Louis-Lewis is 60/40 in favour of Joe. Remember Louis has the same reach as Holyfield (who was past his prime). Even though Lewis beat Holyfield, Holyfield managed to stagger him with left hooks. Holyfield did not have the power, nor the handspeed of Joe.

    On the other hand, Lewis had a monster right hand and could hurt Joe early.

    Reason why i favour Joe is because of Lewis's (at both their peaks) tendency to be overly cautious vs great punchers. Sure, Lewis went after Ruddock but Razor was very one dimensional and did not utilize his right hand.

    I feel like Lewis would be too cautious vs Joe. Joe would catch him with a combination and finish it off. Still, i wouldn't discount Lewis getting a ko because Joe did not have the greatest chin in the world. Then again, Joe had better whiskers as there is no way Rahman or McCall are putting him away with one punch.

    I don't think Louis goes undefeated. If he starts in 1935, then by the time he gets to Lewis, he would be mid-late 30's and that version of Joe (without his handspeed) isn't beating Lewis. Lewis was not speed reliant. Louis was. Louis was only half the fighter without his lightning quick hands.

    Peak for peak, i favour Louis over Lewis (slightly)

    I also favour Louis over Holyfield because of Holy's tendency to brawl. How is Holyfield going to brawl with a faster handed bigger punching Louis? Louis will not run out of energy, nor will he mentally fold like Tyson. If Holyfield boxes smartly, he might win a decision but i figure he will try to brawl and get beaten on points doing so.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Ok so the Louis of the Baer fight, gets the Berbick of the Tyson fight, and Berbick is toast either way.

    From here it gets interesting:

    James Douglas gets the Louis of the bob Pastor rematch, and goes back to being a disappointment to his farther.

    Ruddock gets the Louis of the Godoy rematch, and is probably forgotten just as quickly.

    Holyfield comes along while Louis is in the army!

    The post war Louis starts his comeback with Frans Botha, which is eminently winnable, but very fortunate.

    The Louis of the second Walcott fight, finds himself up against Julius Francis, and feels very guilty after he kills him in the ring.

    By the time Tyson is fighting Lewis, Louis is in against Beshore, which is bad news for Louis!

    By the time of the McBride fight, Louis is retired.

    Congratulations, you just created a new argument in favor of Tyson!
     
  11. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    This isn't the exciting pick- but it's the right one. People like exciting though, that's why more people go to casinos instead of buying stock in them.
     
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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Louis would have done better against Tyson than Thomas did, all Pinlon did in that fight was delay the enevitable with his jab before Rooney told Mike how to adjust, Louis had a great jab also but was harder to counter with his opponents jab because of wherre he positioned his right glove, ready to parry as he jabbed, this would render Thomas`s jab pretty ineffective I feel.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    The punches McCall and Rahman knocked Lewis out with were harder than the punches Schmeling stopped Louis with, plus McCall decided to throw his right hand as Lewis threw a lazy right adding power to the shot and it was straight hitting the point of the chin, great punch.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ruddock punched harder than Thomas, Tucker had a better chin, Spinks was better defensively and Lewis and Holy were just better.
     
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  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I have argued the Tyson's resume was deceptively strong on depth, and number of ranked opponents beaten.

    Apparently he pushed he boat out in terms of longevity!
     
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