Wilder #1 Heavyweight IF beats Fury

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  1. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who Whyte beat?

    AJ has no big wins. That's not my opinion, it's just a fact. Having a Fury/Wilder win on their resume will elevate them many levels above AJ. Imagine if Fury wins FFS. He'd have active dominat champ Wlad and Wilder to put up against Inactive Old loser Wlad and Old midget Povetkin. Imagine now if Fury shuts out Wilder like he did Wlad! AJ wouldn't even be considered a pro boxer anymore. He'd need to be relegated back down to amateur status.
     
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  2. Geo1122

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    Where a fighter is ranked must be earned, and then maintained. Fury was rightfully number 1, but he failed to maintain that status, going on a 2.5 year bender.

    As things currently stand:

    Joshua: 1
    Wilder: 2
    Fury: ?(in all honesty, nobody knows)

    Thinking that somebody is the best in a division is not the same as being number 1. Many think that Wilder is the best. Others think Fury. But as things stand, Joshua holds most of the belts, and he's considered to be the number 1 heavyweight in the division by any reputable measuring gauge.

    Therefore, as Wilder would say; to be the best, you've got to beat the best.

    It's not hate, or favouritism. It's unbiased, and objective.
     
  3. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WTF resume is that!?!? Much worse inactive Wlad coming off a loss? Faded AF midget Povetkin.? Proven bum Parker? Chisora robber Dillion Whyte? Add in that AJ went life and death with all 3 except Parker who he ran like a ***** from.

    If Fury wins he'd be the lineal + WBC champ and have WILDER, active champion Wlad, Prime Chisora. Plus he could end up having dominated all three.

    It's not even close. AJ can never even claim to be #1 after Wilder-Fury.
     
  4. Davo

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    Paper titles and keep busy fights don't keep you at #1. By your logic, AJ can keep ducking Wilder and Fury the rest of his career and retire as the better HW.

    If Fury beats Wilder, you can't say he "lost his spot" any more. He'll have proven he's as fit, strong and skilled as ever. It then becomes about who has the resume and the wins. AJ hasn't got a win in the same stratosphere as a Wilder would be. Game over.
     
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  5. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You try WAAY TOO HARD dude o_O Midget...bum...robber...:rolleyes:
    No way anyone can take you serious in a discussion with comments like that.
     
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  6. Davo

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    Povetkin is 6'0 tall, 40 years old, off the roids and was a decent jab away from a KO loss to 2018 David Price. Still nearly sparked AJ.

    Dillian Whyte has literally no wins at all. Parker was thoroughly exposed and coming right off an embarressing loss. Past-prime Chisora beat him.

    Wlad that AJ fought was in every sense a much worse fighter and easier challenge than Fury's. AJ was at home, Wlad was inactive, much Older, coming off an embarressing loss, lacking in confidence, etc. Wlad still totally outboxed and nearly KO'd AJ.

    These are all facts. It's not hate when you cut through the hype.
     
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  7. Geo1122

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    I can’t take your opinion seriously, when your hate shines through every time you comment on the subject. I get banter, but you appear to believe that Joshua has literally been in “keep busy” fights. It either shows a lack of understanding for the sport, or a clear dislike for Joshua.

    As for your first part, with regards to avoiding Wilder, but essentially fighting nobodies; if he does do that then yes, he will be removed, and likely lose his belts through not challenging his mandatories. However, he’s active, and taking on the best contenders in the division.
     
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  8. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now tell me about the great competition Wilder has defeated...
     
  9. Davo

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    It works like this son:

    Unbeaten Boogeyman Ortiz > Fury's leftovers >>> Povetkin >>>>> Whyte

    Now pepper in a mess of Stiverne/Arreola/Molina/Szpilka types and you have a record to beat AJ's by a small but significant margin.

    AJ is still looking for that Ortiz-level marquee win. He aint never gone near no Boogeyman. He just snakcin on leftovers and old rotten meat.
     
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  10. SnatchBox

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    Also some forgot Champion Stiverne that Wilder beat can beat AJ's Breazele/Whyte. That is not too far fetched imo
     
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  11. LANCE99

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    Son? :facepalm:

    Well, you've certainly established you are horribly biased with your view of their competition.

    There's NOTHING marquee about Ortiz. He was a good, top rated HW. Nothing more. Done with you....:eaea:
     
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  12. SnatchBox

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    Another Question:
    Champion Stiverne vs Champion Martin?
     
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  13. Davo

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    As i said, your bias makes you see cutting through the hype as hate. That's your cross to bear, not mine.

    The Wilder-Fury winner will be WBC champ. The WBO, WBA and IBF won't ever make the WBC champ mando, so again, AJ can easily by your logic never fight the best and just keep fighting lower level guys. He'd stay the unified paper champ and never lose his "Number 1" spot.

    You're just wrong here. There is no argument to put AJ above the Wilder-Fury winner.
     
  14. Davo

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    Why AJ duck him then? Part of Ortiz's lore is the fact AJ so blatantly ducked an incredibly makable fight with him.

    Funny how Wilder and Fury have increased their fame, legacy and incredible fortune by beating the guys AJ ducks immediately after AJ ducks them. HAHAHAHAHAHA
     
  15. LANCE99

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    You are a bit delusional there. Neither Wilder nor fury have increased their fame in this fashion you think. As if AJ still isn't the biggest star in the HW division?

    And now AJ ducked Ortiz... *groan* :facepalm: