Wilder #1 Heavyweight IF beats Fury

Damn straight! They keep forgetting everyone said Stiverne would school and KO Wilder. I think that version of him does povetkin too. Would defintely give Fury's shattered leftover Wlad a good fight too.

HAHAHAHAHA... GREAT POINT! AJ is considerably more paper than Wilder. The paper champ AJ beat was only paper champ by injury FFS!!!!!

 

Ortiz was signed by mis-matchroom just so they could keep him away from AJ. 100% punk move. AJ has a history of using Hearn to shield him from any real challenges. Tried to do the same with Fury too!

NOBODY knows AJ in America. Like literally nobody. He's a non-entity. The only ones that do are hardcore boxing fans. Majority of those think he's a coward too lol. By the time Fury and Wilder are done the whole nation will have heard he's a ducking coward so many times they'll have no choice but to believe it. That's all he'll be known for. LMFAO.

 

Nobody knows Wilder in the US either dude.

So now you get to speak for the 'die hard who think he's a coward..."

This is why you won't be taken serious at all.

 

Congrats to you Davo. I doff my cap to you sir, stirling effort.
The way you describe Wilder's record and comp is Hearn-esque in it's bombast.

AJ has no big wins. That's not my opinion, it's just a fact.
Proven bum Parker
AJ hasn't got a win in the same stratosphere as a Wilder would be.
Dillian Whyte has literally no wins at all.
Wlad still totally outboxed and nearly KO'd AJ.
Now pepper in a mess of Stiverne/Arreola/Molina/Szpilka types and you have a record to beat AJ's by a small but significant margin.
AJ is still looking for that Ortiz-level marquee win. He aint never gone near no Boogeyman.
There is no argument to put AJ above the Wilder-Fury winner.
Part of Ortiz's lore is the fact AJ so blatantly ducked an incredibly makable fight with him.
AJ has a history of using Hearn to shield him from any real challenges.
....everyone said Stiverne would school and KO Wilder.
AJ is considerably more paper than Wilder.

My favourite though is this: Unbeaten Boogeyman Ortiz > Fury's leftovers >>> Povetkin >>>>> Whyte

The chevrons convinced me......

 

Damn 7 pages and still going. How many ways is there to say no?

 

Now you're just chatting shite, Wlad was in better shape for AJ than he was for Fury, you only need to look at Wlads conditioning to see he had wound the clock back somewhat. Also, many people forget that the time Wlad fought Fury, Wlads wife was practically on suicide watch due to severe post natal depression. Hardly conducive to ideal fight preparation don't you think?

I would also wager that Wlad overlooked Fury and prepared poorly as he only dared pull the trigger in the 12th round. All this BS about Fury putting on a master class aswell, he threw and barely landed about what, 10 punches per round? I give credit for the win for sure but, to try and put it up there with the likes of Ali's win over Foreman or Holyfield stopping Tyson in the second fight as some do is frankly rediculous.

Wilders win over Ortiz was again very suspect given the totally unwarranted doctor intervention, and that win was over someone who was only cleared to fight 24 hrs previous to the fight itself.

When AJ does finally fight Wilder (when Wilder can find his pen), AJ will be far more prime, better schooled because of his greater recent activity and obviously better opposition and I fancy him to end Wilders fraudulent, protected reign in the first half of the fight. AJ has only stated that he wants a fully fit and motivated Fury which I find highly unlikely, rather than the WWE clown that Wilders cherry picking, therefore I fancy AJ to face Usyk in the second half of 2019

 

I'm not convinced Fury is at 100% but then again he never was the smoothest operator and his true level is still something of a mystery to me. All the same, if Wilder knocks him out I will give him full credit for the win and will move him up from second to joint first place on my heavyweight list:

#1. Joshua
#1a. Wilder

Here's a question, after Joshua and Wilder, who do you currently have ranked 3rd? I can't seem to choose between Povetkin, Ortiz, Whyte and Fury (Fury probably has the best case but only in the context of old Fury, Whyte has arguably improved a little and Fury has arguably degraded somewhat, whilst Ortiz and Povetkin remain dangerous yet increasingly beatable as time wears on.)

 

Answer, AJ whooped Martin by 2nd round KO while the Windmiller went the distance with Stiverne. (Nobody counts the 2nd fight with the bloated, maggot riddled corpse of Stiverne). And let's just throw in AJ stiffing Molina in 3 while wilder took 3 times as long.

 

Personally, I think AJ is number one as well but I honestly really don't know.

Like I said before - we will only know who the best is when the winner, of the Fury and Wilder fight, goes on to fight Joshua and the winner of the Joshua vs Wilder/Fury fight will then become number one. I think that's obviously fair.

 

It comes down to one word that is sought after among boxing champions - undisputed.

 

I think that Wilder would have knocked him out also, and a lot sooner.

 

I never said that Wilder beats AJ. I said that they would be on par which means even. Yes I did compare the Wlad and Ortiz because they were the hardest fights for both Wilder and AJ. What you need to understand is that Wlad had a chance to fight Ortiz before AJ and he passed. Also AJ had a chance to fight Ortiz instead of Pulov and he passed yet Wilder took the fight. Now you tell me who thinks that Ortiz is dangerous. I know that Wlad and AJ do. Wilder is every bit as dangerous as AJ is in that square circle and AJ knows it. Resumes be dammed.

 

Fact is that AJ ain't fought fighters any better than the ones Wilder has fought. You can talk resumes until your tongue swells up and bust. Fact is, that AJ and Hearn ducked Wilder and everybody knows it. It's time for them to shut up or put up.

 

Yep, that's exactly how I would have it. Most people who can't see there is a rational argument for either fighter being #1 at that point has an agenda.

 

All the evidence points to Wilder ducking Joshua as far as i can see. They have sent multiple contracts, some signed, all for more money than Wilders ever earnt. Latest for rematch clauses for both. Team Wilder havnt ever sent a single piece of paper work over to Matchroom or personally to Joshua. Finkel has refused meetings, DiBella has refused meetings and both have ignored emails from Hearn and phonecalls from Hearn. And i dont count the 50 million dollar offer because that turned out to be nothing more than words, nothing down on paper, nothing sent to Eddie or Anthony. Just a quick reaction from Finkel and Wilder to a small part of an interview they heard about with Joshua, but when asked for some details they refused to give any details what so ever. You cant make a fight acting like that, thats not how they made the Fury fight.

So no i dont think everybody thinks or knows Joshua has been ducking Wilder. Ive been asking for months, even started a thread begging for Wilder fans to back Wilder up when he claimed "I WANT THE FANS TO KNOW WE DID EVERYTHING TO MAKE THAT FIGHT" I asked them to post all the things hes done, or if not please post 1 single thing hes done. Nobody could answer it.