Vitali Klitschko Vs Battling Jim Johnson

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  1. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    The battle of the paper skin. Who takes this one in a 15 rounder?

    Vitali has significant height and weight advantage but Battling Jim neutralises that with quicker hands and feet, superior ring IQ & overall better skills especially on the inside.

    I can see Battling Jim putting in the type of performance he did against Joe Jennette on route to winning a comfortable but competitive newspaper decision. Another scenario I often envisage in this fantasy match up, is Battling Jim focusing solely on the body for the first three-quarters of the bout. Using head movement to get inside to torque away with brutal combinations to Vitali's body. As the fight goes on, Vitali is beginning to slouch, conscious of any more body shots coming his way. Battling Jim see's his opening, and lands a devastating uppercut akin to Buster Douglas on Tyson, sending the Giant Klitschko crashing to the canvas.

    This is a H2H debate. Battling Jim has the better career win (Jeannette) but Vitali arguably has a better career overall. It's very easy to see Battling Jim picking up several loses against Vitali's career opponents as he had a tendency to turn up on the night & not be 'at the races' so to speak. That's an argument for another day. But for now, Prime vs Prime, who wins?
     
  2. BCS8

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    This has to be a Boxed Ears alt account.
     
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  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I always go back and forth on this one and on Vitali vs. Big Sandy Ferguson.
     
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  4. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    :D Right, Ferguson gave Jack Johnson some good fights, so using that logic Vitali better be ready!

    But in reality Battling Jim might not even be good enough to be Vitali's sparring partner.
     
  6. BCS8

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    :D:applaudit:
     
  7. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Jeez, how many threads on Battling Jim Johnson do you need?
     
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  8. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    If you don't like it, then turn off your station!
     
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  9. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Lighting strikes down in the ring and kills vitali instantly

    Johnson """ko""" in the 1st round
     
  10. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Any thread on Battling Jim Johnson has my attention.
    • A cabled article printed in the Evening World (New York City) stated:
    Jack Johnson barely missed losing his heavyweight championship in a ten round bout here last night. Jeffries' conqueror met Battling Jim Johnson, a big negro from Memphis Tenn. and barely lasted through the final round. He was tottering and groggy at the finish. A few rounds more and he might have been knocked out. . . . In the last minute of the fight the Memphis negro rushed Johnson to the ropes and in a mixup both went to the floor, with Jack's arm around Jim's waist. Both were on their feet quickly but Jack looked exhausted just as the final bell rang. It is possible that Jack hurt his arm in the fall to the floor. . . . In the seventh round the Memphis man succeeded in breaking down Jack's guard and three times after landing on the body grazed Jack's jaw with terrific uppercuts
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Ferguson never come remotely close to beating Jack Johnson ,and I would be interested in any primary source that states he won rounds against him.
    Ferguson did however manage to beat:
    Jeannette
    Klondike
    Kubiak
    Armstrong
    Barry
    And draw with
    Langford
    Ruhlin x 2
    Two of Vitali's sparring partners were Travis Walker and Raphael Butler, I would pick Battling Jim to beat both of them.
    NB Both floored Vitali in sparring , the session with Butler was called off so that's obviously a tko win for Butler which entitled him to a title shot!LOL
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    This is the first part of that article which you somehow left out.lol

    • The December 20, 1913, edition of the Saskatoon Phoenix (Saskatoon, Canada) stated:
    Jack Johnson, the heavyweight champion, and Battling Jim Johnson, another colored pugilist, of Galveston, Texas, met in a ten-round contest here to-night, which ended in a draw. The spectators loudly protested throughout that the men were not fighting, and demanded their money back. Many of them left the hall. The organizers of the fight explained the fiasco by asserting that Jack Johnson's left arm was broken in the third round. There is no confirmation of a report that Jack Johnson had been stabbed, and no evidence at the ringside of such an accident. During the first three rounds he was obviously playing with his opponent. After that it was observed that he was only using his right hand. When the fight was over he complained that his arm had been injured. Doctors who made an examination certified to a slight fracture of the radius of the left arm. The general opinion is that his arm was injured in a wrestling match early in the week, and that a blow to-night caused the fracture of the bone.
    BTW The Evening Star did not have a reporter present at the fight and relied solely on an AP cabled report. Here is Geoffrey C Ward's opinion on the fight you remember old Jeff? Last week you were telling us all what a good writer he is.
    Taken from " Unforgivable Blackness".

    "When the two men met at the Nouveau Cirque onDecember19th,nothing much happened for two rounds.
    Both were counterpunchers,and Battling Jim seemed especially wary .
    In the third the Champion launched an attack that sent the younger man reeling.
    Then ,for no apparent reason,he pulled back.
    There were cries of Fake! Some customers called for4 their money back.
    In fact the Champion had fractured his left forearm slamming the challenger's head and had to fight the next seven rounds with just one hand clinching whenever he could.At the end it was the younger man who was breathing hard."


    Sounds a bit different to your version doesnt it?LOL
     
  13. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    Good info about the Vitali sparring sessions. I wasn't aware!
     
  14. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    That is easy. Ferguson won rounds over Johnson. Lots of lesser guys did the same. Jim McCormick with a known record of 4-6-2 did the same in 1906 for example!

    1906-04-17 : [url]Jim McCormick[/url] 195 lbs lost to [url]Jack Johnson[/url] 195 lbs by DQ in round 8 of 10
    • Location: Association Park, Topeka, Kansas, USA
    • Referee: [url]Dave Porteus[/url]
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    round when Johnson started to take over, at which point, McCormick bit Johnson's shoulder in a clinch. At the insistence of the crowd, Referee Porteus awarded the decision to Johnson.


    But back to Ferguson winning rounds vs Johnson:

    [url]https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1905-07-19/ed-1/seq-10/[/url]

    Now will you learn, as I have pointed this out to you before??? That's all I ask.

    If you read other stuff, the foul from Ferguson could have been retaliation for Johnson landing shots that were borderline low.
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    No one in his right mind would expect an unbiased answer from you.