Was Billy Nelson right to force Bakole out for the last two rounds?

I think that sometimes the fighter needs coaxing out of what we can term 'negative mindset
If a fighter has lost belief in himself is it not the trainers job to lift his fighters spirit. Sometimes a few words is all that it needed to change a fighters mental state. These few words can reignite the will wherein the will has started to diminish. A few words of encouragement or an objective (to the fighter) analysis and summary of the fight can turn a fighters perceptions on its head.
What we do have to watch out for though is the trainers intent.
It could well be, just like some have suggested on here that Billy was thinking about his own needs and desires as he was trying to getting bakole back out. I don't know about that, Billy is the one who knows the real truth.
It all boils down to the intent of the trainer when making these decisions

 

Oh I agree with the referee comment, even the commentator was saying the fight should be stopped and I remember him naming Phil Edwards.

The referee was boardering on a disgrace.


I believe many people will have to agree to disagree, I suppose it all depends on what type of trainer you are and what type of person you are.

I would have personally let him stay on his stool in those circumstances, behind on the cards, needed a stoppage and didn't look like getting one, taking lots of flush shots and apparently one armed, that would have been enough for me.

 

Like I said on the above post Mr Sparticus, I think a few of us will have to agree to disagree.


The "boils down to the intent of the trainer.." is an interesting comment, I have read and heard a few people saying Nelson has invested his own money (a lot of money) in Bakole.

Now if your investment is going down the toilet, potentially your future, are you making that decision based on what's best for the fighter or what's best for you.

That could be all wrong about Nelson investing his own money but if it isn't then that opens up a can of worms.

 

No. Nobody should be forced to fight against their will, Billy Nelson is not the one taking punches risking his life. Anything else is irrelevant.

I've been in the position where the corner has stopped the fight for my own safety, which is in my opinion the only time it is correct to override a fighters wishes. The number one priority has to be a boxers safety, everything else, includeing winning, is second. Boxers don't think that way so someone else has to do it for them.

 

If it was true that Billy had invested a lot of his own money and he saw that investment as going down the pan and his attempts to talk cajole back out were because of this then that would be selfish intentions on billys behalf.

 

It's what I've seen said on social media and I swear I saw Billy say in an interview something very similar.

I might be wrong, if I am I apologise.

But if it is true that does change a lot of things in my opinion, anyway we will see what happens next anyway, what Bakole does or tries to do with his career and Team.

 

Too ****ing right aswell! he should be fighting his ass off trying to land a big left hook. Its purely Bakoles fault here, battered by a much smaller man who was quite fluffy in the ring.

 

It was a terrible decision and I can’t believe the amount of people agreeing with it.

Billy forced his man to fight,literally forced him to.

He carried on and got battered until he was stopped.

How is that the right decision?

 

I do not think he should have been sent out. More than the physical injury (whether serious or not), a fighter that is clearly not mentally with it should not be sent out to take shots to the head.

 

There's also a big difference between Michael Hunter and Sonny Liston.

Anyway, I say that with no disrespect to Hunter who i think has earned quite a few British fans from last weekend.

 

Bakole was getting clean punch after clean punch landed flush before his shoulder/arm went. After the injury, never in a million years was he going to win that fight. A really bad decision for me, it doesn't matter how big you are no one deserves to be taking punches to the face from a HW because their trainer says so.

& people saying he doesn't have heart or bottle - anyone who boxes for a living has both in abundance IMO.

 

We need some clear narrative as to what actually was going on.
Some people are saying that Bakole was seemingly faking how injured he actually was. He was playing on a minor injury and blowing it out of all proportions, he was looking for a way out. His heart had gone and in some people's opinion, he wasn't injured enough to justify pulling him from the fight. The bakole debacle was solely down to heart, everything else is a smokescreen. That's how I am picking up one side of the argument.
Would you suggest that pulling a fighter on his first request, solely in a matter where that fighter has lost heart. Do you think that fighter should be pulled out without the trainer trying to lift his spirits?
When you suggest, As you have above, that you can't believe the amount of people agreeing with Billy it's all down to an interpretation of events and some are interpreting the event's as I have outlined above.

On the other hand some are interpreting the same event as, bakole was seriously injured, you could tell because he hasn't thrown his right hand for a round, they see it as there was only one possible outcome should you send bakoli back out and that's the outcome that happened.
Out of interest, as above.
if you was cornering a fighter and he asked you to pull him out and your analysis at the time was all that is matter with this fighter is he has lost heart, that's it nothing else. Would you not try talk him into going back out?

 

I respect your view here as you are a respectable poster who talks sense,this isn’t a bloodthirsty lust to see boxers fight through mental and physical barriers that are too much for them.

I just didn’t like the way the conversation went but that’s just me.Bakole wanted out badly and was crumbling,for me it was a human angle.

 

A few seconds before the bell you get a good view of the shoulder, bone poking out. 34m02s.

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I totally respect your opinion and you always post good yourself mate.
I have stated myself, on here numerous times over the years that I never have any problem with any fighter that wants to quit.


There are certain times when I do think that if a fighter wants to quit it is acceptable for the trainer to try lift his spirits and coax him back out for another round but these situations are always different and you have to analyse each situation on its own merit