Whyte v Ortiz December 22nd?

He schooled him. I am sure most people would agree. Chisora bad footwork was the issue, always is against someone with a good boxing IQ.

 

If I remember correctly, Chisora didn't even win a round.

 

That's how I remember it too mate ! Was a mismatch. Dont get me wrong wanted Del boy to win but he was terrible outclassed.

 

How can you say Fury's chin being weak is a myth?

Pajkic and Cunningham are NON PUNCHERS firth a is also a NON PUNCHER and had him on ***** street.

The only puncher he ever fought was Wlad who never landed with full power although I was impressed fury rode out a couple of fairly decent right hands bit then again so did the likes of David Haye

Basically we are yet to see him take a real good clean shot from a puncher, if wilder lands what firtha did I think the result is obvious.

 

The only person going off one fight is you, hence the referencing of it. My opinion is based upon several of his fights leading in the crescendo to the big night in Germany. That man (Chisora) that Whyte went life and death with and arguably lost against, Fury toyed with him, and I don’t use toyed lightly. He made a warrior quit.

You say Chisora would get smashed...how would you come to that conclusion? Chisora just legitimately put away a bloke that AJ and Parker couldn’t.

Miller is a heavy lump, he is, I agree....23 stone of it. 5 stone heavier than Whyte...that’s like the difference between Luke Campbell and Tony Bellew in weight. The fella can box a bit too. So you can’t dismiss him.

We’ll see how far Hughie has come along on Saturday against someone who Whyte didn’t fancy. To write him off as not good enough though is daft. I didn’t see Hughie hitting the deck against Parker.

I like Whyte, he’s a brilliant addition to the heavyweight scene and deserves a title shot imo but you sound like you took the Hearn hype of him literally.

 

Because like I said, he wasn't hurt. He was square on and when a certain amount of weight hits you with your feet like that, you're likely to go down. Being dropped has as much to do with balance and positioning as it does with having a chin.

You saying that had him on ***** street is just stupid; he wasn't wobbling when he got back up, but I wouldn't expect anything less.

Yes, you're correct that the biggest puncher in the division would likely do more damage than Firtha. Salient point.

 

Firth a didn't knock him down mate he rocked him by clipping him with an overhand right and fury stumbled backwards like a drunk stepping off a curb and lay on the ropes wile firtha luckily punched at his guard for 30 second while fury got his senses back.

So there wasn't any "getting up"

Just thought I better educate you on the incident you are trying to discuss with me

Your welcome

 

I didn't see the word Firtha after the capitals, I'll watch it back and let you know if I think you're being hyperbolic or if you're right. Can you remember when in the fight it was as this isn't a fight I want to sit through if avoidable.

If that's the only instance of him being hurt and he's been in with Chisora twice and Wlad, then I think my point still stands.

 

Whyte is over rated but has the heart of a lion. The man will fight anyone and you can't knock him for that. However, I do believe he did a job on Parker but it would be a different outcome in a rematch. The man fights anyone, which is why he gets respect, but don't let respect cloud your judgment on what have been some very over rated wins and some very poor performances.

I also believe he's falling for his own hype. Fact he reckons Chisora only deserves 25% against him is Ludacris. They both need each other for the payday, 60-40 in favour of Whyte is fair.

I've also no interest in the AJ rematch, as I don't believe a lot do, contrary to what Hearn says. The first fight was a beat down bar one left hook which landed in round 2. I reckon the second fight would be much of the same. Hearn is just out of names to use to put bums on seats. Miller would be a harder fight but he's a harder sell.

 

I think Whyte is so much better than he gets credit for, he full victims to being heavily critisized because he is a little bit unorthodox and looks unsteady. Apart from the AJ and Chisora fight, he has barely lost a round and beat everyone he has been asked.

Also think he has a better chance of beating Wilder than AJ does - although AJ knocks out Wilder around the mid way point.

 

With Hearn sayings it's unlikely that Chisora vs Whyte will go ahead due to Chisoras demands and have reached out to another fighter. Breazeale recently stating he will be fighting on the Charlo's card it looks like it may be Whyte vs Ortiz after all.

 

Ortiz has been confirmed as on the Fury - Wilder card.

 

Last I heard him speak on the issue was at the end of August and he said he was open to the fight, regardless of the risk.

Of course now that Whyte is seemingly struggling to get Chisora (who no doubt upped his price after they mentioned they were looking at Ortiz too, calling their bluff I guess), I wonder if Breazeale will demand more than he previously would have wanted.

A lot of this is guess work and conjecture but for all of his Chisora's faults he does seem to be business savvy so I have belief in his part of the fable I've just created