Bobby Czyz today

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  1. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Addiction is strong even for guys in MENSA. He will never get his life in line if he doesnt stop drinking which he hasnt.
     
  2. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Faaaaaammmme.. I'm gonna live forever. I'm gonna learn how to fly, high. I feel it comin together, people will see me and cry. Fame"
    Oh ****, Hamsho looks in shape. And angry!
     
  3. unitas

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    alcohol is a demon. dont Play with it...….just stay away.
     
  4. JackSilver

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    Seeing him in his prime he reminds me of the biker dude from the village People.
     
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  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I admit, I chuckled at this.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Could never get a read on him .. was very arrogant but you have to be to succeed in the ring .. I still have no clue what happened with him in the Holyfield fight ...
     
  7. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    If you read Marx's remark in context, it's pretty much the exact opposite of the sardonic nose-thumbing it's usually presented as. I happen to be an atheist, but people who are literally career atheists have become insufferably tedious to me.
     
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    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    There's certainly no shame at all in holding down an honest job. I know a guy from high school whose IQ was ~145 and now works as a mechanic. (Imagine two societies in which all the lawyers leave, and all the mechanics leave, and guess which one would grind to a halt first.)
     
  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I remember running across a study showing that lawyers slow down a country's economic growth.
     
  10. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I understand, it does depend how you spin it. It is fascinating to me to understand everyone is little bits of stars, each star light years apart, and that has somehow created me over billions of years.

    But the downside is there is no reliable scientific evidence to suggest free will. Everything is determined, you have no choice; all that is 'bad' that has happened to you, is not your fault, but so too the 'good'. There is no positive way to spin that, it is a bit grim, so I accept some people rely to one degree or another on 'faith', even if it is ultimately delusional.
     
  11. Sting like a bean

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    Well, we clearly have _will_ . If it were free, what would it be free _from_ ? Psychophysics? I don't really find the idea that the brain is a deterministic system any more limiting than the fact hat I can't run sixty miles per hour.

    I'll go even farther and say that ontic nondetermism is literally not a coherent concept. For example if you could look into and "replay" any past event with perfect recall, what on Earth would it mean to say after the fact that it occurred nonderminstically? It only seems nondeterministic before it happens, and that's only because we're not smart enough to track all the tributary causes and foresee their outcome.

    Life is still mysterious and well worth living.
     
  12. salsanchezfan

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    Plus, he got hit too much.
     
  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    At the risk of derailing a thread about Bobby Czyz, determinism is compatible with belief in God, and with moral responsibility. Pretty sure Calvinism denies free will, for example.

    Efficient causal chains are also argued to be compatible with Thomist accounts of free will, FWIW.
     
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    Do you believe in God?
     
  15. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I'm afraid not. I can't see any explanandum that is best explained by the existence of a God.
     
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