Was Anthony Joshua's lack of an above average jab, exposed against Povetkin & Joseph Parker?

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Was Joshua's jab exposed to be average at best, for a super heavyweight, in his last 2 bouts?

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For a super heavyweight that is taller than 6 foot 3 inches and has an 80+ inch reach, Anthony Joshua at best, has a very average jab.

    Joshua's inability to control distance with his jab, along with his inability to land as frequently, is something that has to be criticized. And this may one day be his downfall.

    Against Povetkin, Joshua was unable to keep Povetkin at distance. Povetkin was able to close the distance with regularity, until his 40 year old body ran out of energy.

    Joshua had to settle for some tapping body jabs against Povetkin (which is very little, compared to the far greater amount of damage Povetkin has endured in his career before). But otherwise, Joshua wasn't very effective with the jab at controlling distance and at inflicting significant damage. The jab wasn't landing as frequently and as effectively, in order for Joshua to totally control the fight.

    In contrast, someone with a great jab in Wladimir Klitschko, landed more jabs on Povetkin's face in just 2 or 3 rounds, than Joshua did in the entire bout against Povetkin. And that was against prime Povetkin.

    In before comments about how Joshua did a better job on Povetkin by stopping him whilst Wladimir Klitschko couldn't.

    Firstly, Joshua didn't stop Povetkin. The referee did! By the 7th round, Joshua had dropped Povetkin twice. The referee DECIDED to stop the fight, after the 2nd knockdown and didn't give Povetkin the chance to continue or to prove that he could continue.

    Whilst Wladimir Klitschko by the 7th round, had already dropped Povetkin 4 times. The first knockdown was as early as the 2nd round. And the other 3 knockdowns came in the 7th round itself. But unlike against Anthony Joshua, the referee allowed and gave Povetkin the chance to continue against Wladimir Klitschko, even though he had been dropped 4 times by the 7th round, compared to the 2 knockdowns he suffered against Joshua by the 7th round.

    The difference is, the referee in Russia gave Povetkin the chance to prove that he can continue after 3 knockdowns he suffered in the 7th round against Wladimir Klitschko. Whilst the referee in England, didn't give Povetkin the chance to prove that he can continue after the 2 knockdowns he suffered against Joshua by stopping the fight immediately after the 2nd knockdown.

    Secondly, it was a past-prime Wladimir Klitschko vs prime Povetkin. Whilst it was prime Anthony Joshua vs a totally shot Povetkin. Yet, Wladimir Klitschko did a far better job, especially with the jab. And even if we are just judging their punching power, Wladimir Klitschko displayed greater and more impressive punching power than Joshua by dropping Povetkin far earlier, with far fewer punches, when he dropped Povetkin with a single glancing left hook in the 2nd round whilst Joshua needed to unload with entire combinations in the 7th round to achieve his first 2 knockdowns.

    Even against Joseph Parker, Joshua barely landed any clean jabs on Joseph Parker. Parker's relatively pale skin face was almost unmarked by the end of the fight. Showing how little damage he suffered from the hands of Joshua. Joshua was also unable to dominate the fight or control the distance properly with the jab due to being unable to connect enough effective jabs on Parker.

    Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko faced prime David Haye, who was significantly faster, more powerful, more elusive and more athletic than Joseph Parker. Yet, Wladimir Klitshcko landed more jabs (and other punches), and inflicted more damage on the darker skinned David Haye's face than Anthony Joshua did on the paler skinned Joseph Parker's face who is inferior to prime David Haye in every department.

    This goes to show the SIGNIFICANT difference in ability, when it comes to the jab. Maybe it's harsh to compare Anthony Joshua's jab to Wladimir Klitschko's, since Wladimir has set a very high standard when it comes to jabbing, long range boxing and distance control. But since many people want to already place Joshua in such a high pedestal, I think the comparison is therefore fair and valid.
     
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  2. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Joshua doesn't have a below average jab.
     
  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    You could tell he doesn't have a great jab as far back as the amateurs. He's not consistent enough with it, it's a heavy jab sure, but he all too often forgets it's there and it lacks variety other than going to the body with it vs Povetkin.

    Luckily for him he has more than the jab, but personally I think it's an area he needs to keep working on along with his movement. Part of having a good jab is having the footwork and movement to go with it.

    But I don't think he'll ever be a fighter who can just win a fight with his jab like Lewis or Wlad. He's more like Bowe, decent enough jab but too static and better when he's in a fight where he can let his hands go freely.
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    Correct, but Luis makes good points. Joshua's jab is not a fighting controlling weapon.
     
  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    You made some very good points. What impressed me most about Joshua is his ability to land something big when he's behind, or really needs it. I thin AJ is a worthy champion and the best today, BUT WLad and Povetkin were very old. Pulev is past his best, at 38. He's in line for a date with AJ next. With older men being his best win, its hard to tell how good he is.

    Wlad 3 years younger wins. Povektin 4 years young likely wins.
     
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  6. Flamazide

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    Yes it is. Povetkin is just good. Just because someone is good at countering your thing doesn't mean that you aren't good at it.
     
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    Luis don't argue the povetkin stoppage mate his corner were about to throw in the towel.

    But tbh yes, I say this as a joshua fan his lack of authoritive jab is one of my least favourite things about him

    Coming through he was a more offensive fighter but at top level you n3ed to have patience and a bit of ring control and he really needs to work on that jab.
     
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  8. Luis Fernando

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    Joshua also lacks feinting skills. He rarely ever feints or probes to set his jabs up. He has a tendency to just shoot his jab, directly from his guard, over and over again in a predictable manner. Which makes it susceptible to getting timed.

    It's either something he hasn't learnt, or something he just isn't good at. Probably because his body is too stiff and not coordinated enough.
     
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  9. SmackDaBum

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    Klitschko had a better jab, cross, and hook than Joshua, overall a better outside game. Distance control, hand-eye coordination, footspeed and timing. In raw punching power, they seem quite similar to me, I'll give the edge to Klitschko there as well but the biggest difference regarding their power punches is the sharpness of Klitschko. He had better timing, punches landed cleaner, Joshua seems to hit halfway with his punches more often thus losing the full effect of his power. But the clubbing power is there. A better example of this is Helenius who never seem to connect with clinical sharpness on a moving object.
     
  10. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A prime Povetkin almost had his head jabbed off by a past-prime Wladimir Klitshcko.

    A prime Joshua could barely land any jabs on a shot, 39 year old Povetkin.

    Povetkin wasn't anywhere near his best against Joshua. Joshua simply made Povetkin look good, because of his inferior and lacking skill set.
     
  11. Luis Fernando

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    If the fight happened in Russia and if Povetkin had his old trainer that he had when he fought Wladimir Klitschko, then Povetkin would never have been advised to stop. Since they have a lot pride and would not want to be shamed.

    His new trainer is different. Especially since the fight also happened in the UK. Joshua would probably have not stopped Povetkin in Russia.
     
  12. Infern0121

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    Oh my.......
     
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  13. Luis Fernando

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    Povetkin was badly hurt against Wlad too. But he was never going to be pulled out by his corner, nor would he ever quit himself. It's the Russian mentality! Especially when fighting at home. They'd rather get killed, than give up or surrender. So the only way for Joshua to stop Povetkin in Russia, would have been through a concussive KO. And although it's possible, it's unlikely.
     
  14. JackSilver

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    When you have the power in both hands to change the course of a fight and the hand speed required to deliver those power punches, why is he been condemned here for not also having a world class jab to fall back on as well? That just sounds like nitpicking.
     
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  15. chico g

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    Joshua certainly had his way with Povetkin that's for sure. I was terrified that Alexander's corner weren't going to stop it, and we were going to get scrambled head. This is exactly what's going to happen to that puny cruiserweight Usyk, when he steps up to challenge the bodybuilder. Lol.