Wilder #1 Heavyweight IF beats Fury

I read a lot of stuff about the Fury Wlad being a far better win than the AJ Wlad.

I disagree, but if that logic holds, how in the hell can a Wilder W over this current Fury be considered as equivalent to a win over the version that beat Wlad?

Wlad ,living the life as always, with 2 years off ,diminished more than did Fury with his food and drug fueled 3 years off???
WTF..?

Lest we forget, AJ ended Wlad, KO'd him. In his fight against Fury, Wlad had his best round in the 12th and was coming on strong.

Trying to prop up Wilder with a victory over a faded Fury whilst denigrating AJ's win over Wlad for the same reason are the actions of a fool.

Hi Davo!

 

I brought up the same point before. On what planet could the Wlad that AJ beat be washed up yet the Fury that Wilder is fighting isn't?

Wilder is fighting a guy who hasn't fought anyone with a pulse for 3 years as well as abused his body with drugs and alcohol. By anyone's standard that signals a shot fighter.

 

It's my opinion that neither the Wlad AJ fought nor Fury are/were done.
The Wlad that AJ k'dtfo was a hard match for any HW at the time.
If Fury had another fight at a decent level, maybe a solid plodder like Chisora, Takam or .....Ortiz(!) then I would say he was back to former glory but he's got to be rusty and 80% at most of the lanky monster that beat Wlad.

Beating a puffing, rusty but focused Fury would easily be Wilder's best W , and he would get a lot of props from me. Indeed, Wilder is my pick.

But essentially, if Fury turns up and looks off the pace and gets KO'd, and Ortiz fails to beat anyone of note in the remainder of his career, Wilder's record will still be a league or 2 below Roboshua.

So, even with a W over Fury, Wilder may still have something to prove.
Davo will disagree obviously but it is how most see it I think.

 

Another Brit hater trying to put down anyone not named Eddie Sperm of Anfemi Duckshua

I've addressed this bogus argument many times on this forum. If Lennox retired for 2-3 years at 30, having been the undisputed lineal champ, then in his absence the top contenders didn't fight eachother, Lennox would 100% still be the lineal champ. Now add in that Fury is fighting Wilder; the longest reigning HW champ with the best record in the division and your argument really falls apart.

Fury is the LINEAL HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION. This is a fact. 100%.

 

Again, more personal insults from a Brit casual. I guess you deserve some credit for attempting to put forward an "argument" for your pure fan-boy stance. Shame that your "argument" is totally bogus. If Fury's Wlad win isn't an incredible win, AJ is a total BUM. AJ's record consists solely of his life and death behind on the cards fighting at home win over a much worse version of Wlad. So in turn, if AJ's record is as terrible as you say, Wilder's Stiverene I win is clearly better than anything on his record.

Thanks for clearly and cleanly proving my point. Wilder vs Fury for all the marbles. Can't wait!

 

Another Brit casual throwing a flippant, off-hand dismissal at a factual and logical argument. If you can't refute my factual argument, that's fine. Just admit you were wrong or feel free to stay silent. Coming back with more hate just makes you look bitter. I genuinely hope you don't really feel that way.

 

More hate, more insults, more Brit casual bitterness. The fact you say with the benefit of hindsight that the HW scene was doing great in 2010 really says it all. You're clearly a Brit casual. I don't mean that as an insult btw, it's just who you are.

Wilder-Fury will decide once and for all who the #1 HW on the planet is. I desperately hope that Duckshua and Mis-Matchroom will then be more motivated to try and make a fight with the winner so that Duck-shua can attempt to become the #1 himself. But if casuals like yourself keep claiming Duckshua has an above average record or that he's anything but a paper champ, why would he ever need to?

 

So much unnecessary hate. Not just towards me but to a great British boxer and the only legitimate champion the UK has had since Lennox Lewis retired. Tyson Fury is a great man who has done incredible things. We should all hope he goes on to do even more!

 

So you're not only a hateful Brit casual, but you're also a racist. Wow. Congratulations.

 

you know less about what constitutes hate then you know about boxing. by the way, i am from Rockford Il, not the UK.

 

Nah

 

I think most rational fans see this as who the division number 2 is. Even then, there's an asterisk next to both guys when it comes to how good they are. Ones best win is against a guy who looks old and has really not beaten anyone of note. The other beat 'the man' at heavyweight, but that version of Wlad was not in the right mindset, which is why I'd have liked to have seen a rematch... Well, maybe not seen but read about the result, the first fight was enough to almost put anyone of heavyweight boxing it was that terrible.

 

Remember the Wlad version that AJ threw the kitchen sink at and had to battle hard was the version that Tyson Fury decided to DUCK for the rematch.

 

To summarize 22 pages: die hard AJ fans or Wilder/fury haters see this as a fight for #2. Die hard fury or Wilder fans see both as already better than AJ and or this to be the fight making a clear #1 (over aj).

Rational, unbiased posters go in the middle and admit that the winner of Fury Wilder will have roughly as good an argument for #1 as AJ, and the winner will have to face AJ for the true number 1 to emerge.

 

Nah. Only 'Die hard AJ fans' see this as a fight for #2......???
I don't think Tyson Fury can claim a win over Wilder puts him on level pegging with AJ, that's tosh. I'm no AJ lover but lets stop all this rubbish.
Actually fighting regular top ten opponents IS worth far, far more than hypothetical matches and eye tests.