Lewis is the greatest of all time

Please. Do you have any appreciation for scale or context? Or is everything a run for hills moment of emotionalism? Was Morrison a world beater, an ATG, a guy who could dominate another era? No. But he was world class, achieved ranking and beat a guy who soon went on to take a strap. Thus, Morrison is a decent scalp. He was dangerous and only defeated twice besides what Lenny did. See, it's all about stating question correctly.

And you proceed to prattle on with the droll inventory of his opponents that was expected, an exercise that can be performed on any boxer. The issue with Lewis is that there are so many qualifiers needed for so many world class opponents that the sheer volume of the response is just proof for my argument. Thanks for the help.

 

Holy was a decent puncher but I think you will notice the qualifier I used in an earlier post that almost all his top victims were heavy punchers. Now, do you require all your top champs to defend exclusively against murderous punchers in order to achieve top status? Or are you prone to only apply this condition to Lewis?

Both of whom he stopped afterward. I believe Louis is hailed as remarkable for stopping Schmeling in a return bout. Are you now able to afford Lenny some degree of the same adulation? Or are the goal posts different here.

Yeah, it's called being a heavyweight. There really aren't many without sizeable flaws. Look at Ali's great scalps. Do we really need to talk about an old Liston, Frazier and Foreman and their obvious flaws?

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That only adds to his greatness. He was able to translate increased size into effective performance. It's not often done to the degree he achieved.

 

The Povetkin AJ just beat was primer than the Morrison that fought Lewis , despite Povetkin pushing 40 and Tommy still being in his 20's

 

Who was total crap? Compared to what?

Wanna try avaraging out an superior 15-fighters puncher list by any HW?

 

Time to criticize you, Seamus. I agree that Lennox's resume is deeper and he beat more punchers. That's a fact.

But where is Ray Mercer on Lennox's list? Oh wait. Holmes beat him too, so won't mention him. Even though Mercer was much better than Grant or Briggs, and KO'd Morrison brutally (Tommy is on your list).

Grant and Briggs were crap. You know it.
McCline beat them both EASILY. How good is McCline then? Oh, and Botha is better than Briggs, he beat him actually (highway robbery it was). Why you include Briggs but don't include Botha then?

You mention Morrison for Lennox, but you don't mention Berbick and Weaver for Larry. You mention Akinwande for Lennox but you won't mention Carl Williams for Holmes

You mention Bruno for Lennox but you don't mention James Smith for Holmes (Smith actually KTFO'd Bruno).

Questions, questions, Seamus ...

 

Why don´t you mention that Briggs was nearly two hundred seventy pounds against McCline, which is THIRTY more than against Lewis? He dropped Botha in that draw.
Grant was 31 - 0, 28 years old and beat Golota before Lewis.

Are you saying Holmes beat better punchers?

 

Briggs was that weight FOUR years later when he lost to Sultan. Sick overweight Briggs who retired after the loss is Sultans best win?

 

Is this a Lewis thread or another Dino-Wlad-Commedy?

 

Excellent post!

 

"Holyfield was small "6'2.5"217lbs ,7 lbs heavier than Max Baer.Not a heavy puncher? Didn't he drop Mercer and Bowe?
Yeah Lewis feasted on midgets.
Ruddock 6'3" 231.5lbs
Morrison 6'2" 227lbs
Briggs 6'4" 228lbs
Bruno 6'3" 238lbs
Grant 6'7" 250lbs
Botha 6'2" 237lbs
Golota6'4" 244lbs
Vitali 6'7" 248lbs
Tucker 6'5" 235lbs
McCall 6'2" 231.25lbs
He should be ashamed of himself fighting such pygmies!

 

No. Lewis beat more punchers than Holmes. Often more impressively.

As for Briggs. He dropped Botha, he was also badly hurt by Botha. He should've lost 92-97 to Botha. He was also KTFO'd by Darroll Wilson in 3 rounds in his prime. He was also outboxed by 48 y.o. Foreman. Shulz was robbed vs Botha and Foreman. Axel Shulz >>> Shannon Briggs.

Grant was 31-0 with razor close win vs Jeff Wooden (could've been a draw easily) and he was nearly KO'd by Golota in 1st. How Seamus doesn't mention Golota but names Grant? Golota was better boxer and harder hitter. Grant couldn't even KO Ray Anis in 10 rounds, whom John Ruiz KO'd in 22 seconds.

 

I agree by naming Golota over Grant. But neither were bad fighters at that particular time.
We have been over this Wilson-debacle a dozen of times here now. Someone can EASILY see that the fighter who fought Lewis had like 10 times more grit than the younger fighter who fell like a young Tua did vs Felix Savon. No comparison. The argument is and stays a bad one, these were obv. different fighters by watching them on film.
I don´remember the Botha (and Foreman) fights that well, but the timeline shows that Briggs got extremly worse in a double timeframe Lewis to Botha later, where he came in very heavy at the age of 31.

Don´t you think someone can easily see what a beating a Briggs could take in that Lewis fight to still get up, and up and up and up? What I want to say is that exactly this Briggs in there was for sure a tough, hard punching fellow, while the younger version fell from like nothing! Four years later he managed to balloon to a comeback Foreman 268 pounds.

 

Louis, Ali, and Wladimir Klitschko all beat more ranked opponents than Lewis did as best I can tell.

 

It's also worth noting that the guys Lewis was beating are smaller on average than heavies of later eras like those of Wlad's era and those of today. The size of his opponents could quickly become a drawback, not a positive.

Also, Holyfield seems to have measured 6'1 1/4 not 6'2 1/2 and I suspect some of the other heights were exaggerated.

 

LOL

no but fr why didnt he fight Foreman, or Tyson/Holyfield/Morrison sooner