the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Hedgemon Lewis vs. Carlos Palomino

I scored this bout several years ago and had it 5-4-1 for Lewis. Sat down now to rewatch and again, I have it close but slightly different. I don't have my original scorecard, but wouldn't be surprised if some of my rounds were different - that's the kind of fight it was, very close. Anyways, here we go, California scoring in effect. One point for a round and no points for an even round.

Round 1: Lewis
Round 2: Lewis
Round 3: Lewis
Round 4: Lewis
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Palomino
Round 7: Palomino
Round 8: Palomino (I briefly hesitated between an even round - that close)
Round 9: Palomino
Round 10: Even

Total: 4-4 Draw

I was good with the draw. Even with my original score of 5-4 I was good with the draw. These are some very close rounds where Lewis dominated from the outside and Palomino dominated on the infighting. Good fight. Incidentally, a rematch was scheduled, but Lewis got the offer to fight John Stracey for the title and the only way Aileen Eaton allowed that rematch to be cancelled was for Mickey Duff to agree to sign Carlos Palomino for the title in the event that Stracey won. And the rest is history.

 

Judge Raymond Baldeyrou called six rounds even, and judge Jim Rondeau called five even. Judge Art Lurie scored just one round even. Lots of even rounds here.

Official cards:

• Judge: [url]Jimmy Rondeau[/url] 147-143

• Judge: [url]Art Lurie[/url] 142-144

• Judge: [url]Raymond Baldeyrou[/url] 147-143

Unofficial AP scorecard: 143-142 Norton

I thought Norton edged it but this is one fighter where even the best judges can differ and be okay with it.

 

Here are two controversial bouts involving Edwin Viruet. NY rounds scoring.

Duran - Viruet I

Round 1: Duran
Round 2: Viruet
Round 3: Duran
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Duran
Round 7: Duran
Round 8: Duran
Round 9: Viruet
Round 10: Even

Total: 5-2-3 Duran

Very tough to score and one has to really pay attention to the nuances in the ring. Perhaps Viruet has that kind of style that doesn't jar me. I just felt Duran's heftier shots outweighed Viruet's flashy combos, but not by much. This was a very close fight and those swing rounds could go either way. To bring up a point that I noticed after watching the bout, I looked at the officials scorecards and Harold Lederman who does not score Even rounds, had it 6-3-1 for Duran. An Even round from Harold??? Damn, that had to be close.

Dejesus - Viruet

Round 1: Dejesus
Round 2: Viruet
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Dejesus
Round 5: Dejesus
Round 6: Dejesus
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Viruet
Round 9: Dejesus
Round 10: Dejesus

Total: 6-2-2 Dejesus

It was controversial at the time and after watching it I see why. It really depends on what you're looking for, but in this fight what makes it difficult is that for 10 rounds Dejesus does a lot of missing and Viruet fights a somewhat negative fight, so one is left weighing who actually did more. If anyone wants to give this a try, youtube has it in 3 parts. It is not hi-def by any means and part one's audio is all askew. I felt very comfortable on my verdict, but I can see how it could be subjective on how you score.

 

Oscar DeLaHoya vs Ike Quartey

Round 1: 10-9 Oscar
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Oscar
Round 5: 10-9 Ike
Round 6: 10-9 Ike (both fighters score knockdowns but Ike has the best of the exchanges)
Round 7: 10-9 Ike
Round 8: 10-9 Ike
Round 9: 10-9 Ike
Round 10: 10-9 Oscar
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-8 Oscar (Oscar scares a knockdown)

Total: 115-115 Draw

Oscar barely scrapes home with a draw in this one on my card.

 

Serhiy Dzinziruk VS Daniel Santos

Round 1 : 10-9 Santos
Round 2 : 10-9 Santos
Round 3 : 10-9 Santos
Round 4 : 10-9 Santos
Round 5 : 10-9 Santos
Round 6 : 10-9 Dzinziruk
Round 7 : 10-9 Dzinziruk
Round 8 : 10-8 Dzinziruk
Round 9 : 10-9 Santos
Round 10 : 10-9 Santos
Round 11 : 10-9 Dzinziruk
Round 12 : 10-9 Dzinziruk

114- 113 Daniel Santos

Close fight, but I can not see how Dzinziruk won.
It could have been a draw, but I think 2 points up Dzinziruk was a robbery.

 

I just watched Johnny Famechon vs. Jose Legra. At times it was a really good contest and at times a little on the sloppy side. Famechon starting well enough by moving and countering well. The commentator Harry Carpenter made a remark about it being an interesting matchup “A Spaniard from Cuba Fighting an Australian from Cuba in London, England”. Anyway, Famechon was doing well catching Legra lunging a bit but towards the middle I felt Legra really took control. He was robbed off what looked a clear knockdown in one of the rounds. Famechon showed a lot of heart and won some late rounds. It got sloppy around the 11th/12th with them fighting in a clinch. This is an area Legra never seemed to do well in his fights.

I scored it 9-6 in rounds for Legra and he did get an official knockdown along the way so 144-140 in points. I think the crowd was really behind Famechon and the ref was influenced because he didn’t win this fight at all despite fighting well most of the way. The ref was the only judge per British rules. Not the last time a single judge would give Famechon the benefit in a close fight he probably lost.

Round 1 Famechon
Round 2 Legra
Round 3 Famechon
Round 4 Legra
Round 5 Famechon
Round 6 Legra (red missed knockdown)
Round 7 Famechon
Round 8 Legra
Round 9 Legra
Round 10 Legra
Round 11 Legra 10-8 (knockdown)
Round 12 Legra
Round 13 Famechon
Round 14 Legra
Round 15 Famechon

I could see a round closer which seems a bit more reasonable than a round wider but not much else. Legra very unfortunate to lose the belt.

 

Joey Archer against Holly Mims. I've seen a bit of activity on this fight recently where a few people said Mims was robbed. Here is my take on the bout.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Archer
Round 3: Mims
Round 4: Archer
Round 5: Mims
Round 6: Archer
Round 7: Archer
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Mims
Round 10: Archer

Total: 5-3-2 Archer

This was a study in Archer's boxing against Mims fighting in spurts. Good fight and so close. I see why there was such a dispute on the decision. I just think if Mims was a bit busier than trying to catch Archer with the haymaker he could have done better.

 

Here's another fight from this era, the 1963 Hurricane Carter-Georgie Benton fight. Good fight, but this was frustrating as hell to watch for me. When Benton stays on the outside he is very pretty to watch. He has a beautiful jab and sharp-shoots with the right. The fight was his to lose and he did. He spends 90% of the fight on the inside fighting Carter's fight. And it appears it is of his own volition rather than Carter being that forceful. Here we go. New York's rounds basis.

Round 1: Carter
Round 2: Carter
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Carter
Round 5: Benton
Round 6: Carter
Round 7: Benton
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Carter
Round 10: Carter

Total 6-2-2 Carter

Round 10 was the best. Carter started so strong, but in the middle of the round Benton takes over and appears to hurt Carter, but then Carter finishes with a rush to take the round. Again, strange that Benton would fight Carter's fight, especially when Benton was known as a cutie. Rumors were rife at the time that Teddy Brenner had Holly Mims go in the tank against Carter. I'm wondering......

 

Here are a couple of fights - both with abbreviated endings. But the scores are interesting up until the end.

Danny Lopez v Ruben Olivares - California scoring 1 point for a round, 2 points with a knockdown and no points for an even round.

Round 1: Lopez (Lopez down once and Olivares down twice - with one cancelling the other I had Lopez winning this round 2-0)
Round 2: Lopez (Lopez scores another knockdown)
Round 3: Olivares
Round 4: Olivares
Round 5: Olivares
Round 6: Lopez
Round 7: Lopez stops Olivares

Total through 6 completed rounds: 5-3 Lopez

Although noted for the left hook it was amazing the ease Olivares had tagging Lopez with the right hand, some of which were bombs. Amazing that Danny stood up to them before lowering the boom.


Alexis Arguello v Bobby Chacon for Arguello's jr. lightweight title

10 point must system in effect

Round 1: 10-9 Chacon
Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
Round 3: 10-9 Chacon
Round 4: 10-9 Chacon
Round 5: 10-9 Chacon
Round 6: 10-9 Arguello
Round 7: 10-8 Arguello (scores a knockdown)
TKO - fight stopped between rounds due to a badly cut eye sustained by Chacon

Total through 7 completed rounds: 66-66 Even

Although Chacon was never the force he was as a featherweight, he really gave it an admirable go of it here. Fighting an in and out type of fight he was really catching Arguello with those looping shots. Don't know how long he could have continued that way - that maneuver really tends to gas a fighter, but he gave it a good go anyway.

 

Duran vs Leonard I
I loved seeing the greatest Panamanian Lightweight Ismael Laguna in the ring prior to the start.
Round 1 even 10-10 not much separating them. Duran seems a little wild on some early lunges but nothing that Leonard capitalizes on. Leonard seems to want to exchange in the middle...still not sure after all these years, why he/they used this strategy, seems to play to Duran’s strength.


Round 2 Duran (Duran 20-19)

Round 3 Duran (Duran 30-28)

Round 4 Duran (Duran 40-37) SRL starting to do some nice work in the last minute but not enough to take the round.

Round 5 SRL (Duran 49-47) The best round of the fight so far. Leonard starts with a nice left that catches Duran off guard. Leonard lands a few soft quick flurries that judges like but seldom are strong punches...but mid round Leonard is digging deeper and harder on the body shots than earlier in the fight. These have something on them. Both guys miss a power shot towards the end, SRL finishes strong and takes it on my card.

Round 6 SRL (Duran 58-57) I saw a couple of guys give this round to Duran? Not sure how. Durans feint jab is a thing of beauty though, but it does not seem to be affecting Leonard as much as in the first 5. Ray opens with a nice left again, this time to the body. Both guys working the body good but Ray gets the better of these exchanges and lands the more telling blows. Duran tried to laugh off the impact but now we have a fight.

Round 7 SRL (67-67) very close fight, and a close round. I think Leonard’s work in the first 90 gives him a round that is back and forth over the 2nd 90. Close round but SRL on my care.
Deadlocked after 7

Round 8 Duran ( Duran 77-76) Duran tries to get flashy and his feints seem to freeze Ray, but not elicit a reaction. Doesn’t score points but makes me smile anyway. Not as action packed and Duran nips it on my card.

Round 9 Duran (Duran 87-85) not quite as wide as rounds 2-3 but another clear Duran round. An inadvertent (to me) head butted leads to SRL being bothered and maybe cut? Can’t tell yet? Not sure if it is strategic but Leonard seems to be conserving energy in rounds 8-9, almost like it seemd Duran was in rounds 6-7. The last 25 seconds are back and forth but Duran takes this round for me.

Round 10 Duran (Duran 97-94) Close round and I feel like Leonard is trying to do more in the final 30 seconds than the first 150, and he finishes well enough that he might take thison some cards? But I feel like Duran took it...hard to block out the announcers, uuuggghhh.

11 Duran (Duran 107-103) 10-11 are both competitive enough that scoring for either guy might be common? I felt like Roberto edged landing the heavier and more consistent shots.

12 Duran (Duran 117-112) another close round but I liked Duran’s work a little better. 10-12 are so close that they are likely to be the difference on most cards

Championship rounds-

13 SRL (Duran 126-122) close round that I was leaning towards Duran on but Leonard finishes strong...not with flurries but swinging away. Close but Ray gets the nod on mine.

14 SRL (Duran 135-132) both guys on fumes throwing hard but lacking the pop of early exchanges. Ray comes out solid and looks good for 45 Duran retaliates and leads the next 45...close the rest of the way but I feel Ray locks the round down on the last 30.

15 SRL (Duran 144-142) not much excitement for the first 90, both guys are drained. Ray takes a little less, Duran’s clowning makes me smile again, but not enough to give him the round.

Duran 144-142 for me.

Post fight thoughts- Duran won 4 rounds wide...the other 11 close despite who got the nod, giving the illusion of a Durandomination...in reality a close fight...that Duran won!

Rounds 1 & 10-12 could go either way and make some cards wide and others favor SRL...but to me Duran took this close but comfortable contrary to the announce team and The NY Times.

 

Rewatched the Tony Sibson-Dangerous Don Lee bout today. Saw it live when they fought but now pen to paper and scored under New Jersey's rounds basis.

Round 1: Sibson (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: Even
Round 3: Lee (scores 3 knockdowns)
Round 4: Sibson
Round 5: Lee
Round 6: Sibson
Round 7: Sibson
Round 8: Sibson scores a knockdown but Lee proceeds to stop him on a TKO.

Total (through 7 completed rounds) 4-2-1 Sibson

This clearly shows how flawed the rounds basis was. Under the 10 point system I had it 65-65 at the end of 7. Of course it became academic in the 8th, but the issue is clear.

 

Reggie Johnson v Jorge Castro II

This one really annoyed me. Not for anything that happened in the bout or even the atrocious decision. It was the fact that I was watching a telecast from Argentina that had a German commentary. Most of the time I don't mind that as I don't have to listen to any bias. But I was fast-forwarding the one minute respite between rounds just to speed things up and I was just missing the display of the next round. No big deal until I got to about the 9th or 10th and saw the round when I realized I missed a round. As it turns out, the video I saw was missing the 7th round. Here we go anyway. Castro the defending champ.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Johnson
Round 3: 10-9 Castro
Round 4: 10-9 Johnson
Round 5: 10-9 Johnson
Round 6: 10-9 Johnson
Round 7: Missing round
Round 8: 10-9 Johnson
Round 9: 10-9 Castro
Round 10: 10-9 Johnson
Round 11: 10-9 Johnson
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total (without the 7th round) 107-103 Johnson

Even if we give Castro the 7th it would be 116-113 for Johnson on my card. Castro was a clubbing type of fighter whose great success was based on a rock jaw, a great hometown crowd and very accommodating judges. But Johnson's pin-point punching won it comfortably on my card.