Fight of the week #2: Lupe Pintor v. Carlos Zarate

I don't. Beyrooty went over it at an awards dinner that I was attending.

 

I don't have an issue with even rounds as long as they are not abused - like they do in the Orient where they will have a score of 149-146. Really? 4-1-10 in rounds. Professional fence-sitters. But if there is a round that you find yourself flipping a coin just so you can pick the winner of the round, well then you have just penalized the other fighter. Again, I don't have an issue with even rounds as long as it is not abused.

 

I also try to avoid even rounds. I only scored 1 round in this fight even and that was hard work!!
The first I gave to Pintor. He pressed the action all 3 min and landed jabs. More than anything Zarate did. 10-9 Pintor for me clean

 

Isn’t this part of the reason we have so many calls of robbery though?

Fighter A wins 4 rounds wide (but not quite 10-8)

Fighter B wins 5 solid rounds by a slim but clear margin.

The other 3 are super close maybe just separated by whether you or I appreciated an uppercut by A or a body shot by B...or whether you were more impressed by B landing a solid series of flurries over the last 30 seconds and I prefer A who controlled the first 2 and 1/2 minutes by a little.

If fighter B gets the nod in 2 or all 3 close rounds they win a fight ..that the general public is outraged over.

I like even rounds when the difference is negligible but probably don’t use it as judiciously as I should based on what I wrote above lol.

I think we should have even rounds when a winner is not ultra clear... but something inside of me wants to score the round to A or B. I don’t use them a ton but often feel like I should.

I also like the old method of having to win a fight by 4 rounds (although I would be good with 2), on a card to be declared the winner. We would end up with a lot more draws, but less robberies

 

If a better system could be designed I am all in! Boxing gymnastics and sports with judging will still have bad or not crowd pleasing decisions regardless...I just think having to win decisively would take out more ribberies.

Unless we return to last man standing, and a 3rd or 3 others are allowed to impact a fights outcome we will never see a fair result all of the time. I doubt this rule change will come lol

 

Lol that is an actual scorecard from Leonard Duran I. They called his card a decisive act of indecision

 

Oh, I love that quote. I was actually thinking of one of those many Gonzalez-Oguma fights from the 70s where it was always a ridiculous amount of even rounds from Asian judges. Didn't think of Duran-Leonard though.

 

Wasn't it 'a monument to indecision?' Either way, it's a great quote and a reason I don't score many even rounds, even in close fights!

 

and to make things even worse, IMO fights often look completely different at ringside than they do on video. Maybe it's just being closer to the fight? I'm sure there are some crooked/predetermined decisions in boxing, but most controversial decisions are probably just honest differences in how people score a fight. After watching this fight, the Duran-Leonard fight, and the GGG-Canelo fight I'd be impressed if anybody could score them the same way two days in a row. From memory there were 1-2 obvious rounds for one fighter in each fight and the rest of them were close.

 

Zarate was overly cautious for whatever reason. Pintor also didnt let his hands go in close when he clearly could have. I'm assuming he was worried about getting countered. Again this fight was alot slower and less action packed than I remember. For some reason I I remember this fight differently than when I just watched it again. I'm actually disappointed.

 

Round 5 Zarate (Zarate 48-47) Not sure what each guy is thinking. Zarate seems to want to box and keep the range, rather than challenging Pintor in the infighting department. Pintor seems to want it inside but seems hesitant at slipping Zarates jab to get close enough to do it consistently. Zarate land a solid combo and catches Pintor good with about 30 left, Pintor works back but not enough. Clear Zarate

Round 6 Zarate/close (Zarate 58-56) both guys missing a lot sometimes wide as the range being fought at seems to be long where Zarate seems to want it. Pintor has 3 nice series where he gets into the body and gets some nice digs in. Zarate seems to land the harder blows and scores a couple of nice hooks. Close there but Zarate’s jab is the story of the round for me, using generalship and dictating range and pace. Not exciting but effective so far.

Round 7 Zarate (Zarate 68-65) again not a lot of action, the crowd seems restless and cheers any little act of aggression. Zarate still dictating with the jab, while the infighting seems even. Pintor seems more comfortable in close, but does not press to take the fight there frequently. Not sure if zarates jab is confusing him or if he is still trying to get the timing down. Zarates jab is the story and difference in the fight so far, for me.

Round 8 Pintor (Zarate 77-75) Pintor seems to have the timing down and seems much more comfortable. He uses a few feints that freeze Carlos and 1 in particular that makes him flinc retreat and reset. Pintor in now timing Zarates jab and countering it well or slipping it to get underneath and inside. Carlos comes on on the last 30, but Pintor trades back and wins the round based largely on the improved ring generalship as well as using his own jab and dictating the pace and closer space of this round!

We interrupt this fight, because a boxing match has broken out. Not as much action as the crowd or I would want, from these 2. However they are both showcasing some underrated boxing skills that gets lost in the shuffle when discussing them,

It is a semi entertaining fight but not quite the stereotypical scrap that my memory seemed to have. Very technical, both guys seem to have immense respect for each other as shown by hesitancy and approach.

I will do 9-12 tomorrow!

Again why the 20 x 20 ring size? It seems that the smaller ring would have been more conducive to generate the anticipated action filled scrap many of us wanted...Oh well

 

This already getting pushed to page 2 is a disgrace

 

No official link but found this on the 13rd webpage reviewing this fight.

Interesting infos, the weigh-in for the fight was at 7am, Pintor had to lose the extra .5 pound to make weight. Zarate made weight and drank a glass of orange juice and then a glass of honey.