Lewis is the greatest of all time

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  1. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i doubt it considering you are an useless Lewis ass-licker.
     
  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You wouldn't look at Africa Rackman and think that was a guy who could give any HW in history a tough fight.. But the performance Dougie gave against Tyson was impressive enough to earn him the moniker 'Tokyo Douglas '..

    Who knows how many top drawer HWs would have lost to that spectacular looking Douglas. He boxed a mint performance that night , popping out a ridiculous piston like jab before letting loose with some creamy combos.
    That showing proved he'd be much better than any Rackamn , Bull or Vitali if he had better discipline and dedication
     
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  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I get my tongue up there so far I can carve my initials on tomorrow morning's turd.

    BTW, where do you rank Lewis among heavies? Top 50?
     
  4. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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  5. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ruiz seems like an odd pic. I favor him over Grant on the basis of beating better fighters and having less embarressing losses.

    Ruiz has wins over Holyfield, Rahman, Oquendo, and Johnson. He seems to have a considerably stronger resume than Grant and his prime losses don't seem as bad.

    I doubt he would lose to Dominic Guinn for example.
     
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  6. steve1990

    steve1990 Active Member Full Member

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    Vitali Klitschko Grant loses by KO
    Wladimir Klitschko Grant loses by KO
    David Tua Grant loses by KO but I do think has his moments.
    Evander Holyfield A fading 1999/2000 Holyfield outpoints him
    Oliver McCall I think Grant gets a decision here.
    Mike Tyson I think Tyson catches Grant and gets the KO
    Hasim Rahman I think Rahman stops Grant.
    John Ruiz If Ruiz is forced to fight like he did against Jones then Grant wins a hard fought decision. If he's allowed to get away Greco-Roman wrestling then Ruiz by a decision.
    Chris Byrd I think Byrd outpoints Grant
    Henry Akinwande A toss up
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Both ranked at the time.
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Was the punch Rahman knocked Lewis out with a terrific right hand capable of at least flooring anyone ?Yes or No?
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    What was the result of that 2nd fight?
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Due to woeful preparation more than anything. He paid the price. He also woke up and certainly didn't make the same mistake twice. He put on a clinic in the rematch, an absolute clinic.
     
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You're really hilarious,do you know that? To hear you talk Lewis was rubbish ,and would be lucky to win a Southern Area title! You seriously need to develop some objectivity!
    Lewis was never one of my favourites by the way, I have him about no6 all time,but at least I can concede he would be a huge problem for any heavyweight from any era.Manny Steward named him the best heavyweight he trained Foreman the best heavy of all time ,maybe they appreciate him a little more than you?
     
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  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Exactly, no one is disputing his two failures due to being cocky,overconfident, unfocused etc but,on point, he was a formidable obstacle for any man over 200lbs
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Bingo.
     
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  14. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think defenders of Lewis against wanton bias aren't necessarily fanatics; nor do they consider that the loss to Rahman doesn't matter.

    The loss does matter - of course it does. However, people (and some might say more reasonable observers, in repsect to Lewis' career) might evaluate the loss a little differently than you do.

    For example: What rule dictates that a pile-driving KO blow, from a 238lb man (with a reasonable KO ratio), against a complacent, improperly prepared, past his physical prime Lewis is clearly worse than the absolute drubbing that Tyson - a monster in his prime - took from an underdog, without hope, Douglas?

    And, that's just looking at the respective losses in isolation.

    When one adds the fact that Tyson did not manage to avenge that loss (or any of his defeats, for that matter) and that Lewis was able to get his act together and deliver a punch-perfect performance in response to Rahman, the context of Lewis' loss fails to inspire the kind of zeal I often see Lewis detractors repeatedly inject into the matter.
     
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  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Another top notch post!
     
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