Fight of the week #2: Lupe Pintor v. Carlos Zarate

No keep going with the smaller guys. Anything but HW.

 

I agree I expected it as well. Even HW’s probably won’t generate much. I think a lot of people are happy just talking boxing and don’t want to be bothered with rewatching or scoring a fight. Easier to just say so and so won, it was a robbery etc.

I love rewatching a scoring fights and discussing what took place as well as variables about the fights...

For example I have looked for about 4 hours??? And can’t find any details on pre fight negotiations or who/why wanted a 20 x 20 ring? I understand why Camacho demanded that against Mancini and why SRL demanded that against Hagler...I am just not sure why either guy (I assume Zarate..but just an assumption) would want the larger ring in this fight?

 

I don't have a problem with a heavyweight fight as part of this fight of the week thread - it's all boxing after all. But would be good to go with lower weights for a bit before introducing the first heavyweight fight.

 

I didn’t get to this last night like I planned (I forgot it was trick or treat night lol), so here goes:

9 Zarate (Zarate 87-84) pretty much the story of the round is the same as the fight as a whole. Zarate’s jab controlling pace and space. Nothing exciting but the skill level and respect are both obvious. Much mire tactical than we might anticipate between these 2. Again a smaller ring would make this a completely different fight.

10 Pintor (Zarate 96-94) Lupe is able to slip the jab more efficiently and take the fight inside where he looks more comfortable. He lands a good hook and backs Zarate up...lands another and rocks Zarate solid. Carlos looks stunned for a second, but is able to keep his wits and hold on to end the round without anything further.

11 Pintor (Zarate 105-104) close round that can swing either way depending on which you favor the jab of Zarate or the infighting of Lupe. Lupe takes it slim.

12 Zarate (Zarate 115-113) almost a split round. Pintor much more effective for the first 60-90 looks to be leading. Zarates jab and cleaner punches take the 2nd half. I like Zarates work and cleaner punches.

Close fight. I have Zarate up, but don’t really have a sense that either guy is controlling the fight or winning it decisively.

 

Very interested to see how you score the final 3 rounds as our scorecards through the first 12 rounds are very similar with only a couple of rounds different. I scored rounds 9-12 exactly the same as you.

 

Lol, thanks I am too. I have seen this fight a few times before, but it has been quite a while. I don’t have any memories or an old scorecard I can find (I know I scored it before), but I don’t remember thinking it was a poor decision outside of one crazy card.

I didn’t remember it being such a technical match up. Either way I hope to view and post tonight or in the morning.

 

Zarte won this fight. Its a pity two judges got it wrong, as Pintor could rate as his best win.

• AP - 147-138 Zarate

• Boxing Illustrated - 144-142 Zarate

• International Boxing - 9-4-2 Zarate (IB opting to score it on a rounds basis)

• Ring Magazine - 145-138 Zarate

Even worse. This bad decision made Zarte retire for a while.

 

We are all familiar with the judges cards....do you have one that shows which rounds you feel Zarate won? We only have 4 in this thread. Yours would give us something to discuss

 

More important to me, since you seem fairly adept at research...do you know the reasoning or back story behind the 20 x 20 ring size

 

Its been a while since I've seen it.

But if you have a 10-8 round for Zarte in a 15 round fight, just ask yourself how many rounds Pintor needs to win to get the nod. 8-7 for Pintor won't make him the winner. Pintor needs to win 9 of 15 rounds or more. Did that happen here? I suppose a judge can force that if he gave Pintor all the close rounds, which makes me want to see the full score cards round by round and the punch stats of each round.

I think the media cards, and the reactions of the fighters speak volumes. Maybe I can score this one much later.

One thing is for sure, the judges didn't use the logic you have to take it from the champion. Zarte should have been on 10 title defenses. Instead this result caused him to retire.

 

I don't know the story of the ring size, but my guess is the promoter had something to do with it.

Usually punchers like smaller rings, and boxer mover types prefer larger ones.

20 x 20 is standard.

The really large rings favor the better conditioned fighter as there is a lot more ground to cover. At the turn of the century some of the rings were huge. 25 x 25

 

Very close fight, and a really tough fight to judge. I don't like even rounds, and this fight had rounds that are hard to give to one guy or the other.

Round 1 Even
Round 2 Pintor
Round 3 Zarate
Round 4 Zarate (KD 2 point round)
Round 5 Zarate
Round 6 Pintor
Round 7 Zarate
Round 8 Pintor
Round 9 Pintor
Round 10 Pintor
Round 11 Pintor
Round 12 Zarate
Round 13 Zarate
Round 14 Pintor
Round 15 Zarate

Rounds I had it 7-7-1... The KD being the difference for me in this fight. Certainly no robbery, and frankly Pintor did better than I remembered.

 

Very interesting. Almost identical scorecard to me - I think only 2 rounds difference. I had Zarate winning the 9th (but it was a very close round) and I made the last round even so 7-6-2 (144-142) to Zarate.