Manny Pacquiao Is A Warrior—Chasing P4P Fighters Way Past The Twilight of His Career...

So hearns is only slightly better than barrera and cotto is a better win than hagler? Thats how i know you're full of it.

Hearns won belts from welterwight all the way to light heavy and was competitive for more than 2 decades i believe winning multiple titles even as he got old and keeping his ko power. Hearns beating benitez and duran is above anything barrera did who competed in less weight classes and has less signature wins. Hearns is also the more skilled fighter.

Cotto doesnt have a single signature win that compares him to hagler who had hearns, mugabi, duran, etc and cleaned out his division. Cotto was never the consensus #1 at a weight class either like hagler. And lets not even get into how hagler has cotto beat in every category from power to skill to chin. The only thing cotto has over hagler is more weight classes. Cotto lost to most of his biggest fights while hagler avenged his close fights/losses and desperately tried to rematch leanard. There is no comparison at all.

And for the 3rd time leanard was more past it than hagler and was way more inactive. Stop playing games.

 

Lmfao stfu, Pacquiao wants those guys but fights Horn, Lucas and Broner lmfao

 

You're ignoring the circumstances. I dont want to critique a guy like Leonard. I dont like it, but there are dubious marks on his resume like pretty much everybody.

The 4 greatest fighters of the last 50 years are Leonard, Ali, Duran and Pacquiao in no order.

Yes Barrera is an ATG and pretty damn near Hearns.

Hagler was an old 32 and had been in back to back wars against 2 of the hardest punching middleweights ever. That has to be taken into any HONEST consideration.

Regardless, both Leonard and Pacquiao are boxing gods. You could make a solid arguement for either SRL or Pacquiao. So to act like Pac has no argument over SRL is absurd.

 

I've actually never seen anybody seen anybody actually try and come for Pacquiaos KO of Barrera besides MVC and Drenlou. That's like the 1 win that any fighter has of this era that seems to be untouchable to criticism.

 

Reached out and were knocked back as Haymon only does out of house fights if they bring in hundreds of millions or he doesn't care about the fighter. Even the fight that did make that amount took five years to make.

 

Dude you flat out said pacquiaos resume is ABOVE leanard and ali and now you're taking it back!

Im not saying pacquiaos resume was garbage or even average, i know its great. I only had an issue with you claiming he blows everyone else out of the water in the last 30 years.

You're projecting. You make fun of or criticize black fighters every week.

You really cant talk about haymon sticking to in house when thats literally all bob arum has done with top rank except the mayweather fight.

Pacquiao fanboys have selective memory.

 

They all do in house. Only difference is Haymon fighters only fight once per year.

 

Then stop blaming haymon like arum is so much better lol.

 

Pacquiaos resume is better than Leonard's. But I recognize that many people think Leonard is a more skilled fighter. So I take that into account. Going solely off resume you have to take Pac over Leonard. His resume is just too deep.

 

It's a tough one.

Manny was so undersized in many of his fights and he has more names on his resume. But Ray beat prime versions of Benitez and Hearns, before then making Duran quit before he ended up beating Marvin after only fighting once in 5 years after eye surgery.

I don't think Manny has a win that can eclipse where Ray had to change tactics and have a shoot out with Tommy in order to stop him.

I also think that all of Manny's rematches enhances his resume, as it looks great on paper to see Marquez x 4 etc.

Although Manny had some truly great wins, it could be a case of: 'quantity vs quality'

 

Not a bad post. And I do think that Leonard has the best single win which is Hearns. A slightly better win than Pac KO Barrera. Though that is the best win in boxing of the last 15 years. So it's no slouch either just not as good as KO Tommy Hearns.

Also Leonard's close loss to Duran is a better legacy enhancer than Pac close loss to Morales. Both lost to ATGs in their prime, but Duran is just on another level. With respect to Morales, Duran is a boxing god. Though I will say that losing to a much smaller man in your prime is a bad look. Against Duran I think we can make an exception.

Though as far as depth is concerned Pac shows his class over Leonard. 8 divison weight champ. Hes fought Sasakul, Ledwaba, Marquez, Barrera, Hatton, Cotto, Bradley, Morales, Clottey. That's an exceptionally deep resume. Deeper than Leonard's.

So while there is an argument for Leonard being greater than Pac. I would argue Pac being greater. But you could make a solid argument either way.

 

Good post.

Yes, Manny's resume definitely has more depth. But he had opportunities that Ray never had. One of my favourite fights is the one with Marg. Although he was limited, he was a beast. And I genuinely think that Floyd didn't want anything to do with Marg. But the only thing that bothered me about the win, was that it was a vacant title which was fought at a C-W. I'm a traditionalist. So I don't think that he should officially have been crowned an 8 division champ. But it was a great win nonetheless.

 

I'm not saying Pacquaio is cherry-picking his opponent. I mean, with current legacy, age and seniority, he kind of deserves to do it. But among all the big names in boxing, Lomachenko is the best match-up for him in term of risk and reward. Loma might have been highly intelligent and fast, but he lacks of power. This is a significant advantage where Pacquiao can exploit should he faces the widely regarded P4P#1. And if he wins, it'll be a gold ink in the chapter of Pac's last hurrah. If Loma has a world class power on top of his wits and speed à la Ricardo Lopez, I don't think Pac would be too interested to fight him.

 

I didn't like the catch weight either because it was for the title. I'm torn between having a no tolerance policy for title fights and giving Pac an exception because he came from Flyweight.