Reasonable To Still Include Gans & Leonard In The 135lbs Top Ten?

What are your issues with Leonard’s chin?

 

I have no issues with leonard, even if I dislike him overall.

But, as much as a I am fond of giving #1 in lists to those old times fighters, because they built this sport and they were pioneers, the truth is that they stand no chance vs modern fighters. The same way capablanca was a chess genius, but he would stand zero chances vs carlsen. Sports evolve, they grow, and I give the #1 to those fighters because its them what made the sport grow. But I cant deny reality, any modern 135 champion would destroy gans, the same way any modern welter champion would destroy srr.

 

Ridiculous. You think Mikey Garcia would destroy Joe Gans?

 

Yes.

 

I can't think of too many Lightweights, in the modern era, who could be considered close to either Leonard or Gans (or Williams or Canzoneri). Duran and Whitaker are the only modern day Lightweights with a shout, in my opinion and, in terms of achievement Duran the only serious contender, here.

 

Yes the greatness of Leonard and Gans is unquestionable top 5 for sure both

 

This is a horrendous post as Leonard stands up on film.

Also, Leonard would be fighting the super bantams and featherweights of today, rather than Mikey Garcia who would be a full-time welter/middleweight in Leonard’s day.

So you think, given the footage of Benny Leonard that exists, that the likes of Zolani Tete (cuts a lot of weight to make 118) TJ Doheny, Gary Russell Jr, Abner Mares and Issac Dogboe beat him?

 

You really think Crawford, Spencer, Danny Garcia and Porter could beat Ray Robinson? That seems crazy to me. As mentioned these guys weighed in on the day not day before so many would be small for the weight and likely fight at lower weights. Personally I think if you threw a Mickely Garcia in Gans time, Gans would destroy him the clinch a lot of things that were legal then can't be done now also 45 rounds it felt more like a fight then a sport.

 

I'm 100% convinced. If ray robinson tryed to bodypunch crawford with those horrible punches to the body, robinson would be koed in 5 rounds.

Boxing has evolved A LOT. Robinson was the first modern fighter imho, but people has learnt a lot since him, and thanks to him.

What mayweather or pacman would do to robinson would be the biggest humiliation of his life. But that's nomal, they both are that good thanks to robinson, they couldnt be that good without robinson (EDIT: and that's why he's my #1 p4p ever, he's everyboxer, there's no other boxer without him, none. When you go to a gym, the trainer doesnt teach you the basics, he teaches you how to ray robinson, to imitate him, that's what he teaches to his young pupils).

 

Man, can you read? what did I say about ray leonard? no problem with him, he's a modern fighter.

Go internet and look some footage about benny leonard, if there is any I dont know (if not even worse, since you talk about what you dont know), sometimes you all just forget the amount of mistakes that oldtimers made in a fight, they are so many that you cant hardly count them.

Mickey garcía would KILL in the ring any 192X fighter in his weight. ANY, benny leonard and his mom too.

 

So Ray Robinson who was never ko'd only stopped once to due exhaustion at light heavy in over 200 fights is gonna get stopped by a light hitting welter like Crawford in 5 even though hard hitting middleweights couldn't do it. The sport hasn't evolved as much as you think there is a reason guys like Toney and Barnard pride themselves on being old school, its because a lot of what was done there isn't now a lot has been forgotten or diluted. Watch Jersey Joe and tell me know throws feints like him today the answer is nobody.

Robinson would destroy Manny he is clearly more skilled and he would beat Floyd, watch George Benton and tell me Floyd is so evolved. He fights extremely similar to Benton.

Also Flea man was taking about Benny Leonard not Ray Leonard he doesn't seem to be the one with a reading problem.

 

Yes, crawford would KO a primitive robinson, because that's what he is, primitive. How much time since the last time you watched a robinson's fight? when I see him throwing body punches it hurts my eyes. Robinson has NEVER faced a fighter like crafword, or garcía, or pacman, or even canelo.... they all would completely braindamage robinson. Robinson and any other pre-robinson fighter.

"The sport hasn't evolved as much as you think" if you think so, you should be watching curling and not boxing.

EDIT: I didnt read your post until the end. This made my day hahahahaha, you are deluded, dude. There are 60 years between one fighter and the other, you are completly deluded .

"Robinson would destroy Manny he is clearly more skilled and he would beat Floyd, watch George Benton and tell me Floyd is so evolved. He fights extremely similar to Benton. "

hahahahaha. Yes and he will win to floyd too, similar to benton... Floyd, a guy who has the most elaborated boxing I've ever seen, a guy with the highest IQ in history (included the very same robinson himself)... hahahahaha. You are so funny, oh, boy....

 

My God you are clueless first you get Ray Leonard and Benny Leonard confused now this. So you think Wilder is more skilled the Louis since he's a modern fighter and Kovalev over Charles too I guess. Give up my man you clearly don't know what your watching. There is a reason every boxing expert disagrees with what you just wrote heck even the pros guys like Ali saying Robinson is the most skilled boxer, why cause he's a fan?

So now Benton the man you trained Whitaker, Holyfield and Meldrick isn't skilled either. Try watching these guys before commenting. Why would Bernard Hopkins want to be compared to Moore or Tyson to Dempsey if these guys were so unskilled.

 

Man it's very easy to confuse benny leonard and ray leonard when the post says "leonard" only. Genius.

You are just a deluded fan, with no freaking idea about what you watch when you watch a boxing match. No problem, dude, probably greb would win to gg or to canelo too, isnt it?. Sure man. No problem.

Actually I didnt even intend to write in classic subforum. I dont know why I am here....

See you.