Joe Frazier ,Wins The F.O.T.C, how did it decline from there ?

I disagree that many of today's cruiserweights are the same as the guys he was fighting. Most of the guys Foreman fought had to train down to be at 210-215. Frazier had to do 6 miles of road work to show up at 203-205 lbs. When Frazier stopped the road work his weight ballooned up.

Also, Joe Joyce is pretty much the same size as big George, but doesn't have big George's skill level, ring experience, or punching power.

Joe Joyce is listed at 6'6", but is 6'4".

He is 108kg (17 stone) and 193cm (6foot4) tall. He is a world-class super-heavyweight boxer. He recently won a silver medal at the Rio Olympics. Yet what makes Joe Joycefrom the United Kingdom so remarkable has nothing to do with his size or boxing ability. In fact, it’s probably the last thing you might automatically attribute to a world-class heavyweight boxer.

Joe Joyce, it seems, is also a master of the dance floor.
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Joyce with 6'5" Joshua and 6'7" Wach
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Dubois and Hrgovic have impressed me from what I have seen so far. I think they have the potential to achieve a lot.

 

Joyce has fought no one to show he is world class and,at 32 time is not on his side, he has a good engine, and fair power ,but his defence is suspect and he is not quick.

 

mcvey, what do you think of Dubois?

 

He is one to watch.

If a couple of key variables check out, then he is a future champion.

 

I prefer him to Joyce, and he has time on his side.Gorman is perhaps the best boxer of the UK new lads, but his conditioning and power aren't top notch.

 

This. Even Holmes, who hated Foreman admitted that standing still in front of Foreman was suicide, but with effective movement and good timing that Foreman was very beatable.

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I don't think he loses his Wrecking Crew credibility by virtue of his performance against Ron Lyle after losing to Muhammad Ali in the devastating fashion followed by a solid year of inactivity. The fact that he he prevailed in the manner that he did given his opponent and the history enhances his reputation.