My Top 100 Pound For Pound List

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  1. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Sugar Ray Robinson

    2. Henry Armstrong

    3. Sam Langford

    4. Harry Greb

    5. Ezzard Charles

    6. Roberto Duran

    7. Muhammad Ali

    8. Joe Gans

    9. Willie Pep

    10. Bob Fitzsimmons

    11. Joe Louis

    12. Benny Leonard

    13. Archie Moore

    14. Mickey Walker

    15. Joe Walcott

    16. Barney Ross

    17. Sugar Ray Leonard

    18. Sandy Saddler

    19. Ike Williams

    20. Tony Canzoneri

    21. Julio Cesar Chavez

    22. Gene Tunney

    23. Alexis Arguello

    24. Floyd Mayweather

    25. Terry McGovern

    26. Carlos Monzon

    27. Jose Napoles

    28. Pernell Whitaker

    29. Eder Jofre

    30. Roy Jones Jr

    31. Stanley Ketchel

    32. Ruben Olivares

    33. Holman Williams

    34. Marvin Hagler

    35. Charley Burley

    36. Manny Pacquiao

    37. George Dixon

    38. Kid Gavilan

    39. Emile Griffith

    40. Wilfredo Gomez

    41. Thomas Hearns

    42. Jimmy McClarnin

    43. Packey McFarland

    44. Lloyd Marshall

    45. Salvador Sanchez

    46. Evander Holyfield

    47. Michael Spinks

    48. Jimmy Wilde

    49. Billy Conn

    50. Tommy Gibbons

    51. Jack Britton

    52. Bernard Hopkins

    53. Carlos Ortiz

    54. Fighting Harada

    55. Tommy Ryan

    56. Ted Kid Lewis

    57. Jack Johnson

    58. Jack Dillon

    59. Rocky Marciano

    60. Duilio Loi

    61. Abe Attel

    62. Dick Tiger

    63. Wilfred Benitez

    64. Tiger Flowers

    65. George Foreman

    66. Tommy Loughran

    67. Luis Manuel Rodriguez

    68. Mike Gibbons

    69. Joe Frazier

    70. James Toney

    71. Bob Foster

    72. Oscar De La Hoya

    73. Azumha Nelson

    74. Mike McCallum

    75. Marco Antonio Barrera

    76. Erik Morales

    77. Battling Nelson

    78. Carmen Basilio

    79. Juan Manual Marquez

    80. Young Corbett II

    81. Lou Ambers

    82. Carlos Zarate

    83. Young Griffo

    84. Miguel Canto

    85. Manuel Ortiz

    86. Jimmy Bivins

    87. Young Corbet III

    88. Harold Johnson

    89. Larry Holmes

    90. Felix Trinidad

    91. Lennox Lewis

    92. Panama Al Brown

    93. Pascual Perez

    94. Freddie Walsh

    95. Freddie Steel

    96. Vicente Salidvar

    97. Cocoa Kid

    98. Dwight Muhammad Qawi

    99. Jack "Nonpareil" Dempsey

    100. Shane Mosely
     
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  2. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is my first draft and will be making changes to it so any constructive criticism is welcome. List is more difficult then I thought, credit to the guys who have done this before.

    Couple things I know people will pick on first Ike Williams being in the top twenty firstly he likely has the third best resume at lightweight after Gans and Leonard. Additionally I’ve read all the info I could find on his series with Gavilan and most feel it should have been 2 – 1 to Ike with Kid winning the third. A lightweight getting the better of a top 10 possibly top 5 welterweight of all time in their prime is huge.

    Whitaker being outside of the top 25. The main reasoning for this is I don’t rate Pernell resume as highly as others. His two biggest wins Nelson at lightweight and Chavez at welterweight (he won that) aren’t as great as many suggest. Nelson did nothing at lightweight likewise with Chavez who achieved nothing at that weight and was past his best. Four months later he was losing to Randall.

    Lloyd Marshal being top 50 when most have him nearer the 100 mark. Fell many underrate him his resume is amazing wins over Burley, Charles, LaMotta, Sheppard, Williams (although he lost the trilogy) and Yarosz.

    I’ve probably missed out a few people feel free to bring to my attention.
     
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  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Ketchel seems a bit high, and McFarland a bit low. Could you explain why you placed them there?

    Walcott quite high too. Not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to see your reasons.
     
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    Owen Moran was a good fighter, fought Abe Attell to some draws, beat a past it Battling Nelson, despite being much naturally smaller, in a pretty impressive display.

    Philidelphia Jack O'Brien, and Kid McCoy were both very good, very good at lower weights and did well against larger fighters.

    Young Peter Jackson and Jeff Clark had some impressive wins, though were inconsistant.

    Some to consider.
     
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  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Didn't put Rocky Marciano in your top 5? No Gerald McClellan? Terrible list

    But for real, good list. If I had any actual problems it'd be:

    1. Gans too high
    2. Marciano way too low
    3. Duran too high
    4. Foreman too low
    5. Benny Leonard too high
    6. No Battling Nelson?

    Also by Joe Walcott do you mean Barbados or Jersey (probably a stupid question)
     
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    Really good effort. I like it a lot. I've shaded them above as
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    If you're interested. Remember that everyone has an opinion and most of the opinions you run into will be from guys who have thought about it less than you - but also that the opinion is worth interrogating to see if it's reasonable.
     
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  7. Bronze Tiger

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    Great list ....
     
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    Frazier and Toney are different shades of green :D
     
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    Yes, they offend me to different degrees, and have been shaded accordingly.
     
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    Where’s Tyson?
     
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  11. Minotauro

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    I actually had Owen Moran on the list and got rid of him just before posting it. Yeah Clark definitely worth a thought has some big name on his resume even he wasn't to consistent.
     
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    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cheers yeah I'll definitely look at what you posted respect your opinion.
     
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  13. Minotauro

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    For a second thought you were serious about McClellan I know your a huge fan. I mostly rank off resume and Fell Gans, Leonard and Duran are the best lightweights ever and have quality wins above the weight like beating Joe Walcott, Jack Britton and Ray Leonard etc.

    I think you rate heavyweights higher then most on p4p list I'm kind happy with Rocky and Foreman may drop Jackson after thinking about it. Nelson is at 77.

    Its the original Joe Walcott not Jersey even though Jersey Joe my second favorite boxer after Charles couldn't find a place for him.
     
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    Didn't think he warranted a place resume doesn't have enough depth and lost to the best guys he fought.
     
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  15. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    I re-read your list 5 times and still somehow missed Nelson, maybe I need to get my eyes checked lol.

    About McClellan, I was just poking fun at my own list

    I must ask, what did Lloyd Marshall do to rank over Marciano?
     
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