Breaking down Wilders resume

I got this from the site which may not be named. A poster there did it so credit to them. Makes for fascinating reading. This is what I think of when I see him calling other boxers cowards or talking about how he's always been on a mission to unify the division...

Wilder’s Record:

1st Ethan Cox, wasn't ranked
2nd Shannon Gray, wasn't ranked
3rd Richard Greene Jr, wasn't ranked
4th Joseph Rabotte, ranked 393rd in the World
5th Charles Brown, wasn't ranked
6th Kelsey Arnold, wasn't ranked
7th Travis Allen, wasn't ranked
8th Jerry Vaughn, wasn't ranked
9th Ty Cobb, ranked 399th in the Heavyweight World
10th Alvaro Morales, wasn't ranked
11th Dustin Nichols, wasn't ranked
12th Shannon Caudle, wasn't ranked
13th Harold Sconiers, wasn't ranked
14th Dan Sheehan, wasn't ranked
15th DeAndrey Abron, wasn't ranked
16th Reggie Pena, wasn't ranked
17th Damon Reed, ranked 304th in the World
18th Dominique Alexander, wasn't ranked
19th Daniel Cota, ranked 489th in the World
20th David Long, wasn't ranked
21st Marlon Hayes, ranked 368th in the World
22nd Jesse Oltmanns, ranked 492th in the World
23rd Owen Beck, wasn't ranked
24th Kertson Manswell, ranked 310th in the World
25th Damon McCreary, ranked 357th in the World
26th Kelvin Price, wasn't ranked
27th Matthew Greer, ranked 325th in the World
28th Audley Harrison, ranked 136th in the World
29th Siarhei Liakhovich, ranked 43rd in the World
30th Nicolai Firtha, ranked 121nd in the World
31st Malik Scott, ranked 86th in the World
32nd Jason Gavern, ranked 194th in the World
33rd Bermane Stiverne, ranked 4th in the World
34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World
35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World
36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World
37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World
38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World
39th Bermane Stiverne “inactive for two years and UNRANKED at time of fight"
40th Luis Ortiz - ranked 6th (39 years old)

 

Lol harsh and obviously a backlash to the similar Joshua thread.

Stiverne I think like Fury and Bowe was one of those champions who as soon as they won the belt lost all drive and their form fell way, way off. He had Rhabdo for the first fight and was rumoured to have come into camp massively overweight. And if what one poster said about his training is true he spent more time eating than actually training. He was a decent fighter when he fought Arreola, top 20 maybe even top 15 type fighter but when he fought Wilder he was just going through the motions for a payday. 4/10 first fight, 1/10 2nd fight.

Molina's claim to fame getting out boxed and coming from behind vs a shot Adamek. Arreola proved he was nothing special. He's not top 10 probably not even top 20. 2/10

Duhaupas I think is a decent solid pro. Doesn't have the power to ever be a threat, I don't think he's even a gatekeeper level fighter but he's a decent fighter you get to take you rounds. 4/10

Szplika is basically a Polish David Price, chin of the finest most delicate china. Kownacki showed that, even the light hitting Jennings stopped him. Kownacki had a close fight with Martin which suggests Szplika isn't as good as Martin. 2/10

Washington beat by Miller, lucky to get the decision vs Mansour. Big guy and athletic but he's not top 20 material. 3/10.

Ortiz despite having a thin resume has obvious skills thought, 5/10 is beyond harsh he's a top 5 fighter. Not as good as some think, all the elite guys like Wilder, Joshua, Povetkin and Fury beat him but still a top fighter, he's just below those top guys along with Whyte, Parker etc. 8/10

 

Owen Beck wasn't ranked? he had a title shot. he was shot to ****, but still should have had a ranking comparable to Manswell and the rest of the lower ranked guys.

 

i'd like to see your 15-20 guys better than Stiverne when he was champ. he may have been bottom end of the top ten.

 

Szpllika was fighting Wilder the right way though, loads of head movement and an active guard, the reach and power were too much for him though.

 

Don't forget Wilder's massive showdowns with Harold Sconiers & Dustin Nichols. Truly the stuff of legend...

 

At the time I ranked Stiverne as top 10 after the Arreola wins but in reality I don't think he was ever that good. Hindsight is a wonderful thing everyone has 20/20 vision with hindsight. I'll admit I overrated Stiverne at the time.

I liked him as a fighter back then, good counter puncher with good power but after the Arreola wins he wasn't the same. Arreola was only ever a gate keeper and those wins flattered Stiverne because Arreola was the perfect style for his counter punching style. Arreola came right at him and was easy to hit and he could walk Arreola into shots.

Stiverne's loss to Demetrice King and draw with Charles Davis shows he wasn't as good as the Arreola wins suggested. He'd always look good in his prime with guys that came at him, but size, movement and guys that won't walk into his counters like Arreola would always be tricky for him due to lack of size and movement. I think plenty of other guys would of beaten him at the time when he beat Arreola if they had the right style.

 

i agree he was never very good. just cannot place 15-20 guys ahead of him when he was a belt holder.

 

Wilder must have the worse resume ever in HW history for a belt holder.

 

I didn't write it, it was posted on another forum. So this being the Internet it may be subject to error/exaggeration etc. Although to be honest his record doesn't look great whichever ratings you pick, unless the wbc have retrospectively made them all HOF...

I did ask for their source but don't think I got a reply.

 

I've always been in the "Stiverne just isn't any good" camp since I saw him make shot Ray Austin look like a prime Larry Holmes. He can (could) take a lot of punishment and then land some big himself to dig himself out of the hole, but his skills were obviously below par. For me it just shows how far you can get in heavyweight boxing with a chin, a punch and a powerful promoter.
his best 3 wins:
1. past it Arreola.
2. shot Arreola.
3. either Rossy (controversial) or shot Austin.

 

he was never very good. protected until his title shot. just like many of the guys now. i stand behind him being ranked in the three hundreds somewhere! lol, how bold of me!

 

look how far Ray Mercer got with an iron jaw, a stiff jab, and an oh so slow, but powerful right.

 

Charles Farrell was interesting on Stiverne in this notorious piece pre wilder Ortiz

https://deadspin.com/boxing-is-going-to-get-deontay-wilder-anthony-joshua-if-1823455306