Is Danny Garcia still relevant to the Welterweight division?

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  1. 120-108

    120-108 New Member banned Full Member

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    I mean he's lost to Shawn Porter and Keith Thurman. And he'd have NO CHANCE against Spence or Crawford! I'm sure that would be a very easy fight for both Spence and Crawford.

    He's a pretty basic C Level fighter, not good in any department - just average/quite good. He already has numerous gifts to weak fighters like Herrrera and Theophane and Peterson. He's been lucky in his career.

    I believe a lot of the up and comers at 147 who are in the top 10 or close to the top 10 would have a strong chance of defeating him - Yordenis Ugas, Egidijius Kavaliauskas, Kudratillo Abdukakhorov, , Kerman Lejarraga, Alexander Besputin, Custio Clayton, Josh Kelly.

    Don't be surprised if he drops out of the Welterweight top 10 in the next year. I believe it's all downhill from here for Danny.
     
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    mandatory Nuthugger Crusher Full Member

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    ITs an uphill battle for sure for Danny from now on.. Shouldn't have lost that Porter fight.. fkd him up bad,,
     
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  3. CST80

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    Not a huge fan of Danny personally, probably one of my least favorite people in the sport, partially due to his buffoon father.

    That being said. He still most likely beats Kavaliauskas, Ugas, Abdukakhorov, Clayton, Kelly and Besputin, the'd be competitive fights, but Danny is an entirely different animal from the Avanesyan's, Abreu's, and Prescott's of the division. I rate having competitive fights with Porter and Thurman higher than any of their wins.
     
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    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Porter has always been all wrong for Danny, and Porter is the best Welterweight aside from Thurman and Spence, and quite frankly has a better resume, than Errol. His resume is easily better at WW than Bud's. Danny shouldn't be written off, stylistically I think he'd give Spence and Crawford all tehy could handle.
     
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  5. dinovelvet

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    Garcia is a sold A level boxer who beat beat Shane Porter on my card. He lost close to Thurman even though Keefs style was all wrong for him. Plenty of good fights out there left for Garcia.
     
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    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Garcia is a C level fighter? He may lose to both Crawford and Spence, but it will NOT be easy.
     
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    WW is pretty stacked, so I consider he didn't lose to any novices. Like or dislike the style of Porter he's a live workhorse fighter that makes a boxer earn their victory. And a SD loss against an active Thurman isn't the writing on the wall either, at least IMO.

    If his body holds up, I think he has another 4-5 years left before the effects of father time takes its toll on the now 30 year old fighter.

    Will he be reduced to gatekeeper @ WW? The guy everyone has to beat to get to the title? Could be, I guess it depends on what weight he walks around at. If I trained or promoted him, I wouldn't have him move up or down because he had 2 losses. Fight where he's comfortable at, so as long as he isnt haggling, cherry picking, I'll watch Garica @ WW win, lose or draw!
     
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    Well I could say that list would beat Herrera, Theophane, Peterson, Shot Morales with ease. Who Danny all struggled with badly. I've always seen Danny as very overrated, he's average in most departments.

    Not all , but a couple of them guys from that list plus Lejarraga - I'm very certain are gonna end up better than Danny Garcia. It'll be interesting to see who joins the top tier at Welterweight.
     
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    Mate, it would be a walk in the park! Crawford and Spence are P4P talents. Garcia wouldn't win a round!
     
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    mandatory Nuthugger Crusher Full Member

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    Definitely not written off.. And mad respect to him always. But like you said. Porter was all wrong for him., He was also over confident going into the fight and got shocked.. It was a close fight though.. I think he gives anyone a tough fight always.. But as far as Spence and Crawford.. I think he loses both fights on the cards. Will give em hell as always but I dont think he wins..
     
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    I disagree. Welter has a strong top two that's it. Thurman hasn't fought for 20 months. Porter is good but most divisions probably have a better guy at 3rd than him. After that it's just washed up mediocre guys like Peterson and Vargas, and prospects who we'll have to see how good they are, some will turn out to be good no doubt - I really like the look of Besputin in particular.

    Don't forget Danny could easily have losses to Herrera, Peterson, Theophane, and struggled with a shot Morales.
     
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    The version of Herrera that Danny beat, also should have wins over Benavidez, Provodnikov and Alvarado, he'd give hell to all of those guys. Theophane was much better when they fought as well. Danny beat Morales fairly decisively, and I say that as a huge Morales fanboy.

    Not saying a few of them are incapable of it. I want to see a few of them hang with one or two ear world level guys before proclaiming they're better, or will be better than someone who already has. That's all.
     
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    If Welter wasn't good enough already , Chris Algeri just announced his comeback :ARMS1:
     
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    No, it would not be a walk in the park. Not at this level. Neither Thurman nor Porter had an easy time w/ Garcia. Both are more proven @ 147 then Craw or Spence.
     
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    cmon Theophane has always been a poor fighter. he was never even close to World level, he has losses at all levels throughout his career. he even lost to Darren Hamilton - who is probably the weakest British champion ever.

    The way Kavaliauskas destroyed former world champ Avanesyan in comparison to Peterson and Mosley vs Avanesyan, told me Egidijius is gonna be a threat. Besputin looks the best 147 prospect of the lot, And Lejarraga is a beast. I'd have those 3 as at least 50/50 fights with Danny right now.
     
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