Sugar Ray Leonard said he had Canelo beating GGG in the rematch . . .

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    GGG lost. Not only did he lose but he got beat "Mexican style" which made Canelo's victory so much sweeter. Do you have nightmares of Canelo winning those belts?
     
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  2. C HOP

    C HOP The World Awaits Full Member

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    That second fight, was one of the hardest to call for years.
     
  3. BCS8

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    They're not my belts. I'm really not as invested in this as you. We all knew that if Canelo was still standing by the end bell that he'd get the nod. I wasnt surprised at all.
     
  4. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LMFAO @ the OP still trying to brainwash people!!!

    Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

    GGG 2 - Canelo 0 in the eyes of the 90% who know how to judge a boxing match!!!
     
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  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    How interesting, GGG says he had Hagler winning their fight.
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well it sounds like you're really struggling with what happened and you continue to deny what happened. When you say things like all Canelo needed to do was stay standing at the end and he'd win, it's hard to take you seriously as a boxing fan.

    With statements like that you sound like a sore loser. It's obvious that the loss crushed you as a GGG fan, and your continual whining about it is getting old. You need to man up and accept the reality of what happened. Canelo won fair and square not because of some judging conspiracy but because he won more rounds than GGG.
     
  7. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ratio:
    first fight 90%-10% GGG W
    Second fight 80%-20% GGG W

    I've seen some here and there that thought Canelo won but the vast majority had GGG winning both fights. I think I've seen more people say it was a draw than Canelo actually winning the second fight

    I think the most legit opinion came from Teddy Atlas. The man doesn't like GGG and even picked Canelo to beat him in the second fight, yet manned up and said flat out he thought GGG got robbed, basically admitting he picked wrong. Even though he could have easily said "hey, I was right, I told u canelo would win".
     
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  8. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes but GGG kept canelo within range the entire time! The first fight when Canelo backed up, he was doing so to avoid trading and taking large portions of rounds off, avoiding the fight. When GGG backed up, he was taking half steps back but kept Canelo within his range and was outworking, throwing more and outlanded the younger opponent the entire night. If people wanna give credit to Canelo for doing what he should have did the first fight, why is GGG not getting credit for outworking the younger man even doing so going backwards?!
     
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  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because GGG wasn't outworking Canelo in the rematch. Backing up and throwing range finding jabs does not require as much work or energy as coming forward and loading up on power shots one after the other.

    In the first fight what you call taking large portions of rounds off was a strategy to frustrate GGG and set him up for power shots, and it worked ! In the middle rounds when Canelo started moving away and taking portions of the rounds off if you will, during those lulls in the action, GGG wasn't able to land either so neither was able to land when that was happening. And when GGG was able to close the distance Canelo would constantly use head and upper body movement to make GGG miss.

    So Canelo was using a much higher level skill set in how he fought the first fight than how GGG fought the rematch, so what GGG did in the rematch wasn't better than what Canelo did in the first fight. That would be like saying that Sugar Ray Leonard didn't deserve to beat Duran in the rematch because he didn't stay close enough to him as he was backing up. SRL was only able to get Duran to say no mas by providing extreme outboxing. If he just moved away slowly while staying close to Duran (like GGG did in the rematch) it wouldn't have worked or frustrated Duran to the extent that it did that night.

    Canelo utilized a brilliant gameplan in the first fight to confuse and frustrate GGG while managing to land the higher quality power punches throughout the fight. What GGG did in the 2nd fight was a reaction to what Canelo was doing, which showed an unwillingness for GGG to stand there and trade with Canelo and more importantly showed GGG backing down from the kind of fight that he asked for out of Canelo.
     
  10. BCS8

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    Except for that everybody knew before the fight Clenelo would be favoured on the cards, the same way as he's always been favoured on the cards. You want me to go back and find the predictions?

    Canelo won because he's a drug cheat and because he gets favourable scoring thanks to being the money man and having the home town advantage. It's about the 5th Canelo-sided score in a row now. It's obvious that he's the judge's darling and its obvious why he has his favourite judges and why he sticks to Vegas liek a limpet.

    #corruptioninboxing
     
  11. BCS8

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    Throwing damaging, head-snapping and sweat-spraying shots to the head requires much more skill and timing than throwing ineffective "power shots" to the body. Canelo opted for the easy route knowing his crooked scoring would bail him out.
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The easy route? Coming right at GGG, going toe to toe with GGG and staying in the pocket all night is taking the easy route? That's what you wanted Canelo to do wasn't it? I thought "running" like Canelo was accused of doing in the first fight was taking the easy route, to avoid GGG's power, no?

    That would be like saying that SRL took the easy route in the first fight with Duran, and in the 2nd fight inexplicably decided to make the fight harder on himself by using his boxing skills.
     
  13. shadow111

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    This is confirmation bias my man and a kind of reverse psychology that went on amongst GGG fans going into the rematch to have a built in excuse if GGG lost. I know very well that many GGG fans predicted that Canelo was winning a decision. Of course the same prediction was also made about the first fight and that didn't happen. And there were also many GGG fans who predicted Canelo would be knocked out and that didn't happen either.

    Surely you've heard the saying that a broken clock is always right twice a day. Just because you or many GGG fans predicted Canelo would win a decision due to what you believed was corruption or favorable judging doesn't prove that Canelo didn't win the fight all by himself.

    Now you're just getting silly. He won "because" he's a drug cheat? That doesn't even make any sense. You have no way to know if what you are saying here is actually true. You ignore the high probability of contaminated meat just like you ignore what Canelo did in the ring. You are jumping to conclusions here in ways that suit you. As much as you want so badly to believe that Canelo's a drug cheat and that there was favorable judging, there's no way for you to prove either. Face it : These are only your theories, theories that makes you feel better as a means to not have to admit Canelo was the rightful winner.

    GGG just didn't do enough to win enough rounds to win that fight. You cannot deny that while GGG did very well in the last 3-4 rounds, he was not able to equal that output or have that kind of success in the first 6-8 rounds. If GGG would have came out with the eye of the tiger and made Canelo pay early in that fight, GGG would have been on his way to winning the decision. Halfway through the fight, it was abundantly clear that Canelo was winning and was in complete control of the fight, so much so that GGG's late rally was pretty surprising given how well Canelo was doing in the first half of the fight. In the rematch, the judges cards very accurately depicted what happened in the rounds.

    Saying that Canelo is the "judges darling" is just another way to say that he does a lot of the little things that impresses the judges and wins him rounds. It's insulting to the sport for you to act like all Canelo needs to do is show up and he'll automatically win fights. He went to war with GGG over 24 rounds, and in the 2nd fight he took the fight directly to GGG and landed the better punches. GGG landed more jabs but more of the telling blows were landed by Canelo. I know you'll never admit that but you should to save whatever credibility you have left. The fact that you point to you predicted all this makes you look even worse, as it shows that you had a preconcieved notion of what was going to happen. That's precisely the wrong attitude to take going into a fight and it screams of you being extremely biased and giving yourself a built-in excuse if GGG were to lose.
     
  14. BCS8

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    Trout and friends know all about Clenelo's judges :deal:

    And yet, we've been right twice already. Maybe the clock isnt broken.

    Canelo fans defending drugs now. OK.

    ... and some failed tests, but, let's not talk about those :rolleyes:

    Threw more, landed more, hurt Canelo. If Golovkin didn't do enough then Canelo did nothing at all.

    Halfway through the fight Canelo had his two best rounds. Nothing else he did came close to them. He lost the start and he lost the end.

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  15. BCS8

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    Its easier to land ineffective body punches than head-snapping, neck twisting punches to the head.