Usyk will get hurt so bad by Joshua or Wilder

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  1. Dario Argento

    Dario Argento The exotic Waitress banned Full Member

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    Fixed it for you.
     
  2. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    Usyk's a boring fighter spending a TON of energy fighting like a welterweight.

    He will soon get found out.
     
  3. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Usyk is a brilliant fighter, but he's been laughably overrated by all the noobs on this site who only just started following the sport.
    He eats jabs too easily, he's a massive sucker for the lead right and doesn't like it to the body. He has flaws but the casuals in here just see what they want to see. Good fighter, but he has nothing at heavyweight that will cause any of the big guys to lose any sleep.
     
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  4. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You said Bellew would knock him out
     
  5. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree he has some flaws but he can go in and out very quickly and his style matches up well with big men, the only boxers he every struggled with are slick ones, none of the heavies are slick... feet stuck in cement and slow straight punches
     
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  6. Gomo

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    I'm going to say something here.

    I don't think usyks technical ability is that great...his slipping, sliding and putting combinations together are not that impressive.

    Where he is impressive is his speed of foot to get on and out and his speed of hand to throw so many shots.

    But it's his freaky engine that makes it all work, the fact he can be so quick for 12 rounds.

    Bellew actually outboxed him at times, what he couldn't cope with was usky relentless pressure and speed.

    He also showed some weaknesses, he got caught a few times with good counter punches. The straight right, left hook and right hand to the body.

    When AJ hits him with a counter right, similar to the one that put povetkin away usyk will be thinking twice about coming back in with his high pressure style.

    He beats guys with relentless pressure and hand speed forcing them back and waiting till they slow down before taking over.

    Wladimir Klitschko would have beat him, for a start usyk isn't getting centre ring and Klitschko isn't getting backed up. He was a master of the straight right hand, in those early round Klitschko knocks him clean out with one straight down the pipe. He also take centre ring and starts using his long jab.

    How does usyk fight off the back foot? When he's up against the ropes how well does he Bob and weave and gets shots off when someone's leaning all over him. I dont think I've seen him in a head to head clinch inside fight type brawl because he hasn't come up against anyone big enough to keep him off.

    Put him in with Whyte or someone who can hit him hard and lean on him see how slick he is when he comes across someone he can't back up.

    Usyk is fantastic but he has weaknesses.
     
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  7. Brighton bomber

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    Usyk does have some stylistic issues that could prove troublesome for him when he steps in with the big boys of the division. People will point to the Joyce fight but neither Wilder, Joshua or Fury will just march forward walking into counters like Joyce does. Usyk would need to cut off the ring, pressure and slip in, get off and out again and that's going to be hard when he doesn't move his upper body much.

    I could see Usyk beating someone like Breazeale who is slow and just marches forward throwing but any fast, agile super heavy is going to pose him problems unless he can be more elusive when in range.
     
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  8. drenlou

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    Shut up *****. ward, Joshua and Canelo beat your champions goofy *****. Every chump that liked your lame comment gets no respect.
     
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  9. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Boring, what fight were you watching last night. The finish was dramatic and brutal.

    As for being found out, he's the undisputed cruiserweight champion of the world, arguably the 2nd greatest cruiserweight after Holyfield. Even if he gets KO'ed by Joshua that's hardly being exposed or found out. Even great fighters lose.
     
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  10. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Bellew isn't quick and has an okay jab and right hand, yet found a home for them far too often. Usyk does not have elite defence, he has an okay defense at best. Keep seeing people go on about him fighting Joshua, but it is a step too far, his jab is faster, significantly harder and better timed than Bellews. The right hand would flatten him as it won't be difficult to land with Usyks total lack of head movement.

    So just to summarize and put in perspective. Bellew is not particularly slick and had he been able to keep doing what he was doing early without feeling the pace it could have been a very different outcome. The take away from that is the big guys won't need to do that for 12, because when they land as easily as Bellew did it will be the beginning of the end.
     
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  11. FastSmith7

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    Usyk does have good head movement and utilised it in amateurs very well, whenever he came up against a bigger man he always moved a lot more and was rapid in and out of range, nobody could live with him, he is in my opinion better fighting on the back foot. I would call bs on AJ having a quicker jab than Bellew, Tony is quicker in every department, his footwork is better, his ring IQ is better, his jab is quicker (not necessarily better), Joshua has feet stuck in cement, Wilder is the only fight that would be extremely difficult for Usyk because he has that unpredictability, Joshua is very simplistic and throws punches with good techniques from predictable angles. This is how Joshua vs Usyk would look like, maybe no as dominant but this is the pattern that the fight would follow
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  12. Brighton bomber

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    He doesn't have good head movement. He isn't totally static with chin in the air but just watch the Joyce fight, he's using his feet to create distance and using his hands to block and parry shots, he isn't slipping many.

    I agree he's better on the back foot which is why Joyce coming forward constantly and giving up his height and reach benefited Usyk.

    If you think Joshua fights anything like Joyce you need to get a new pair of glasses, Joshua fights more like Usyk than he fights like Joyce. Joshua wouldn't march forward, wide open, getting caught like Joyce did. He's far more cautious, would use his jab and control distance and try to make Usyk come to him. Look at the Parker fight for example did he just plow forward swinging, no he was patient didn't need to go for the KO and controlled range. Usyk most likely has to cut the ring off on Joshua and press him which doesn't suit Usyk.

    But Joshua isn't Bellew as you say, he doesn't move as well and I can see Usyk's movement giving Joshua problems, he's going to find it hard to pressure Uysk which is why he'll be patient and keep the fight long and make Usyk come to him. I think it will be a cagey tactical fight with sudden explosions of activity when one lands hard on the other.
     
  13. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    8.50 on that youtube video, Usyk's legs went with a full on assault by the incredible Juggernaut. Just imagine the bodybuilder Joshua in that position.
     
  14. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Yeah not even sure this is worth bothering to reply in any depth when you think Bellew is more skilled than Joshua.
    Using Joyce as an example... Wow... The guy is as slow as a mummy.
     
  15. greenhornet

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    guess we may soon find out.