Why do ppl think usyk can jump to Hw so effortlessly? What historical proof is there?

Hi Tony, unlucky on the defeat Saturday, fella. Good to see you back so soon after the concussion.

 

Usyk maybe walks around at 225 ish? He's a big boy.

But doesn't mean he can be competitive with the top heavies today. He's competitive in his weight division... but someone like Haye had the power and explosiveness to keep true heavy weights in check... something Usyk lacks.

And someone like Dillian, who is a NATURAL heavy weight, big framed... 8 inch wrist..big jamaican... has proven he can take big shots from the biggest guys... and throw big shots to put down the most durable guys.

Usyk ain't proved NONE of that.

 

Would be amusing if i actually wanted Bellew to win.....

How are you still so salty about getting your David Haye predictions wrong?

 

That defies what a super heavyweight is. 6ft 6 plus. Guys like Fury, who in my opinion wouldn't be champion without that enormous size advantage. Deontay can get away with being so light, and generating that enormous power with being long and gangly. Harder for guys like Povetkin, Ortiz, and Parker to overcome these obstacles.

 

tru. this is the HW era when even Butterbean, Kimbo Slice and even Buster Bloodvessel would be contenders. I know right , hes not even a boxer.

 

The only HW that ever stomped prime Chris Byrd was the Povetkin sized Ike Ibeauchi.

Jumbo heavies Vitali , Maury Harris , McCline , Williamson were beaten by Byrd.

Chambers beat Sam Peter and Dimentriko
Adamek beat Chris Arroela.
Cunningham beat 300lbs Natu Visema
Roy Jones beat Ruiz
Spinks beat Holmes and Cooney.
Joe Louis who was Usyks size battered a lot of jumbo sized guys
Dempsey beat Willard.

Usyk can beat plenty of heavies. History is full of examples of smaller guys beating bigger guys.

 

You are unlikely to find someone that disagrees, but can Usyk be COMPETITIVE at heavy weight.... this is the point right? Or is it just a bit of fun moving to Heavy weight and seeing what happens when you are already dominating a division.

If it's for money then yeah go right ahead, I think Usyk and make more cash there.

But the super heavies of 2018 are a handful compared with the days of old.

 

Their is a line between can Usyk be competitive at heavy and will Usyk be a great heavy. History is not on his side. As the op stated really only Holyfield was able to make the leap - and even though I am a Holyfield fan- it’s obvious he was juiced to the gills to compete for years at top level in that division.
Usyk cleared out his division so let him try Heavy, I think he is good enough and skilled enough to compete with all of them, especially Wilder whom would look really clumsy against Usyk. Joshua and Fury May be too big but right now the division needs talent and Usyk has that in spades.

 

I don't see why saying he can is so controversial.

He's about to move up and try so we will soon know either way and can then make a better judgement in where he stands as a current heavyweight and compared to those of yesteryear.

Having cleared out a deep division he now wants the pay days and glory that accompany heavyweight title fights. I don't know why that bothers some people. It's another exciting name to add to a resurgent marquee division.

 

Because Usyk is unproven at heavy weight.

Someone like Whyte campaigns at heavy weight. He is numero uno across the sanctioning boards.

Whyte is proven. He can take a heavy weight super KO blow, throw heavy weight super KO, and beat most heavies.

Andddd here's Usyk... not even in the division yet... and people already making assumptions, conclusions, hyping,

 

So? Let them do it and say you disagree. I don't see why a few fans getting a bit carried away needs to be met with such derision when he's looked the goods every step of the way so far.

If he crashes and burns and you're right then good for you. I don't get why we're seeing such animosity towards his move up. Personally I think he enhances the division and can be in a number of great match ups. Why aren't people looking forward to that?

 

Because the most effective way to diminish a threat is to dismiss it out of hand.

Truth is.... no one knows if he will step up and be competitive at elite HW level. That's why they actually hold fights. To find out...

I'm looking forward to him taking up the challenge of fighting dudes 30-40llbs heavier. I think he will campaign at 225ish and trade out some speed for power. He will still move better than any of them....

 

But that's the point... in life you need to be objective and to back up your opinions and statement on reasonable evidence... I have to put my mind into motion before I make baseless statements.

I don't want to see Usyk crash and burn...he's a human being... I want him to do well.

But I cannot bring myself to say things like "Usyk walks all over AJ, Usyk on points... EASY... NEXT".

However..If posters say:

"Usyk moves well, and has great ability which would give AJ some problems in rounds 8-12, assuming Usyk survives AJs power punches by then"

I would reply with, "That's an agreeable perspective there good sir, we'll have to wait and see"

 

I'd like to see Povetkin (from the AJ fight) against Usyk and see how Usyk handle's that.

 

Yes, but that's the problem, re past atg hws. Usyks size was historically big, to varying degrees, for the division throughout over 3/4s of the lifespan of the division. But now it is small.

Ali was a VERY big HW when he first came out. The tallest dominant champ the division ever had and arguably the heaviest. Even toward the end of his career he was larger than average.

But the division, for varying reasons but mainly talent pool, has had a steady track upward in size. Ali, and therefore Usyk, who is about the same natural size, would be small for the division now.

And historically, smaller than average movement based fighters who aren't reliant on power have no record of dominating the division. The op put it a little ruder than I would have, but he's ultimately right. From a rational, historical perspective, there is little reason to believe Usyk will dominate the division. If he does, it will be unprecedented, and quite possibly the greatest achievement in HW history.