Oleksandr Usyk Vs Tony Bellew Timing vs Skill

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Just watched highlights of Usyk v Bellew and he was being countered a bit in the early rounds, AJ sometimes counters really well and has a reach advantage, Wilder isn`t as good at countering as Bellew but he too has amazing reach, longer than AJ. if Wilder specifically gets counters in on Usyk the fight will be over straight away, but Wilder hesitates more than Bellew did and this might help Usyk, I feel Usyk can more afford to do this vs Fury because Tyson doesn`t even punch as hard as Bellew did vs Haye, I don`t think Fury would have knocked Haye out, instead he would have out pointed him easily.
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    But if he starts the bouts like say... fellow but inferior 6'3 southpaws Luis Ortiz & Artur Szpilka did... he wins.:deal:


    Also Usyk wasn't concerned with Bellew's right, he was concerned with his left hook. He's like Loma, he gauges the threat level and adjusts accordingly per opponent, hence why he took zero risks against Gassiev and was barely touched.
     
  3. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree completely. Ive seen Usyk look ordinary and more than hittable in the first 5-6 rounds of a fight about 5 times, even against Gassiev he won the first 6 rounds but didnt start pantsing him until about round 6 or 7. Matter of fact, now that I think about it, I don't think ive seen a Usyk fight where he doesnt look ordinary and tense/tentative and open to some of his opponents punches while being somewhat innaccurate and seemingly gunshy the entire first half of a fight. Against the heavyweights I think that would be too much to overcome against the top of the division.

    I dont think he would fight tlike that against the SHWs I think he would come out and start a pace that they would never be able to match.
     
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    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wtf...... ****ing autocorrect is about to Knock Me The **** Out.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    :deal: but I don`t feel Loma would have been caught by those counters against a fighter using Bellew`s tactics at lightweight.
     
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  6. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wilder would put Usyk out doesn't matter how he starts. I'd bet any amount of money on that!
     
  7. Baneofthegame

    Baneofthegame Active Member Full Member

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    I doubt he fights the same vs either of those guys.
     
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    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    they had power and lost
     
  9. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    I don't know what to make of Usyk.

    I was very high on him after he turned over, and beating Glowacki. Then my estimations dropped significantly after a few performances including those against Hunter & Breidis. Then I was back fully on board the hype train after the Gassiev performance, and now I'm again slightly uninspired by his performance against Bellew.
     
  10. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Couldn’t possibly afford to do it against AJ in the U.K. where he’d be up against it with the judges to begin with and for that reason I don’t think he would.
    It’s my opinion that Usyk knew 100% what he could do to Bellew in the latter half of the fight cause even without that knockout it would of been so one sided from there on.

    Absolutely agree with you though,no way could he expect to this fighting top Heavyweights,guess we’ll know more when we see him fight someone decent at Heavyweight.
     
  11. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Seriously I wouldn’t read too much into it,the very fact he’s prepared to fight folk on foreign soil with all those belts on the line tells me he’s very assured of his performance on the night regardless of what we think.
    In other words I think he sometimes just does what’s required of him as that final against a Gassiev that many thought had a great chance of winning,he just went berserk in the punch stats department and made Gassiev a champ at the time look super ordinary which he is not.
     
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  12. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldn’t wanna put money against it,put it that way.
    Know what you mean about Wilder,no good trying to outbox Usyk which is why Wilder has a better chance than the others,totally unorthodox,punches like a mule and has a great gas tank.
     
  13. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Better chance? Lol, he destroys Usyk.
     
  14. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I never know what folk mean they say destroy,sure he could knock him out at any stage of the fight but to say he destroys him just goes against logic.
    When he fought Spilka the KO sure enough destroyed him but up until then it wasn’t easy,Ortiz another late KO,only guy I can think of is Stiverne who he ultimately destroyed in no time at all.
    Usyk is way too good and crafty to let anyone destroy him,far more likely that Wilder would be down after nine or ten rounds and then Wilder gets his KO.
     
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  15. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    You bringing up a fight over 2 years ago? Why don't we talk about how Usyk was down on the cards against Bellew and arguably drew against Briedis? I'll ban bet you or money bet you any amount of money if they fight. Talk is cheap son. He gets DESTROYED aka knocked the **** out.